Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[SuzieQ49]

butterfly,


u dont have to rank guys ali beat joe frazier,sonny liston, george foreman # 2, 3,4 greatest heavyweights of all time just to back ur case that ali was the greatest heavyweight of all time


i rate frazier, foreman, liston at bottom half of my top 10, but i still think ali was # 1 or 2 heavyweight of all time



you ***** out walcott and charles, but overhype patterson as like hes in a class above those two. why? because patterson fought during alis era?


you dont have to overhype ali's opponents and rate them higher than everyone else does just to prove ur point that ali was the greatest. ali was probably the greatest, but like every champion he did have flaws. no ones unbeatable, and no ones perfect.

[butterfly1964]

butterfly,


u dont have to rank guys ali beat joe frazier,sonny liston, george foreman # 2, 3,4 greatest heavyweights of all time just to back ur case that ali was the greatest heavyweight of all time


i rate frazier, foreman, liston at bottom half of my top 10, but i still think ali was # 1 or 2 heavyweight of all time



you ***** out walcott and charles, but overhype patterson as like hes in a class above those two. why? because patterson fought during alis era?


you dont have to overhype ali's opponents and rate them higher than everyone else does just to prove ur point that ali was the greatest. ali was probably the greatest, but like every champion he did have flaws. no ones unbeatable, and no ones perfect.

i don't rank foreman, frazier, and liston high because they fought ali. i rank them like that because they were that good. seriously, virtually no one could handle foreman's or liston's power, and frazier had great power as well, and tore through the division resoundingly.

and patterson is underrated. i do believe he's better than charles and walcott. look at their records. look at who they fought and beat and lost to.

[butterfly1964]

Butterfly, please. I've argued against Joe Frazier, and I don't think I've ever made a thread about him. Unlike you, who worships Ali's balls, makes 10 threads about him a day, never gives any other fighter in history credit, and 99 percent of your posts mentions him. I think it is you, sir, who needs to climb out of Ali's ass.

this is not even true.

[moondog0]

I would have to say it is 100% true.....

[butterfly1964]

I would have to say it is 100% true.....

and i would have to say your a 100% moron!!!

[SuzieQ49]

and patterson is underrated. i do believe he's better than charles and walcott. look at their records. look at who they fought and beat and lost to.

walcott and charles beat better fighters



charles at 175-185lb beat

archie moore 3x
elmer ray
jersey joe walcott 2x
Jimmy Bivins 4x
Joey Maxim 5x
past his prime Joe louis
Harold Johnson- Robbery



Jersey Joe Walcott beat

Ezzard Charles 2x
Elmer Ray 2x
Jimmy Bivins
Joey Maxim 2x
Joe Louis- Robbed
Harold Johnson


i mean i left a lot of good names off on both lists, but I defintley think charles and walcott beat the better fighters

[butterfly1964]

walcott and charles beat better fighters



charles at 175-185lb beat

archie moore 3x
elmer ray
jersey joe walcott 2x
Jimmy Bivins 4x
Joey Maxim 5x
past his prime Joe louis
Harold Johnson- Robbery



Jersey Joe Walcott beat

Ezzard Charles 2x
Elmer Ray 2x
Jimmy Bivins
Joey Maxim 2x
Joe Louis- Robbed
Harold Johnson


i mean i left a lot of good names off on both lists, but I defintley think charles and walcott beat the better fighters

patterson beat,

archie moore
ingemmar johannson x2
tommy (hurricane) jackson x2
oscar bonavena
henry cooper

all on par if not better than most of the fighters you named.

[Easy-E]

the fact that this thread has gone 14 pages is disgraceful. the article is a pathetic and embrassingn attempt to discredit the greatest hw of all time.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Ali's toughest opponent for sure was uncle sam

Ali won though by KO in year 5

sry i was looking for the other thread but w/e

[SuzieQ49]

patterson beat,

archie moore
ingemmar johannson x2
tommy (hurricane) jackson x2
oscar bonavena
henry cooper

all on par if not better than most of the fighters you named.

jeezz, ur really screwing patterson.

U PUT henry cooper and hurricane jackson on the list, but no george chuvalo and eddie machen who were better fighters?

you forgot to include jerry quarry and jimmy ellis since patterson was robbed vs them



im sorry but ur very mistaken


walcott beat louis, charles who were better than any fighter patterson beat.

are u trying to tell me archie moore and jerry quarry was better than joe louis and ezzard charles?

walcott also beat a better list of contenders than patterson did


charles beat walcott who was a better fighter than any fighter patterson ever beat


charles also beat a better list of contenders than patterson.



archie moore, past prime louis, bivins, ray, johnson(robbery) were better wins than ellis(robbery), quarry(robbery), archie moore, bonavena, past prime machen.




so how does pattersons win resume on par with walcott and charles?




the best heavyweight patterson ever beat was either Johansen, quarry(robbery) or moore.