Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[The_One77]

You are a moron. Why should Ali have been patriotic? his logic is a very sensible one... WHY SHOULD I FIGHT, OR BE PATRIOTIC FOR A NATION THAT WILL NOT GIVE ME EQUALITY. Simple. At an ivy league school? do you really think i give a **** about your nations ****** ass obsession with prestige in education? Im a 21 year old from New Zealand currently attending University studying sociology... whats your point? Outside of America(if you are able to comprehend an existance outside America) we laugh at morons such as yourself that are blindly patriotic. Ali come out with the statement 'no vietcong ever called me ******'. Ali genuinely held these views and was not forced to express them the way he did ^ (with passion). Ali, along with most Americans at the time did not know where Vietnam was and again his logic was simple yet sensible. Why should i go and fight in a nation i know nothing about, be part of a war machine that will inflict casualites on a people that have done nothing to me, because the govt of my country decided to go to war as a result of bull**** political motivations. Ali is not racist, he WAS a seperatist. His following of the Nation of Islam was very loose. They thought white man was the devil, however he was close to various white persons such as howard cosell and angelo dundee... thus he left the Nation of Islam due to his inability to see eye to eye with elijah. 'I use to think white people should be with white people and blacks with blacks, now i think colour is irrelevant' - Muhammad Ali.

And people don't get me wrong, people will look at this post and may get the impression that i dislike Americans. Thats not the case at all, ive met many and found them to be very decent people... i just dont like the minority whom are blindly patriotic.

he didn't leave the nation because he didnt see eye to eye with eilajh, he stuck with eilijah till the day he died. (1975)
Eilijah's son took over the nation and taught that the black people shouldn't blame their problems on the white man, thats why Ali changed his mind.....because he was told to, Ali was never really smart.

[Heckler]

More bull****. Ali was smart, if you watch interviews where hes thrown random questions... he answers very intelligently, expressing his opinions with conviction - Reporters, biographers etc note this. He didn't always see eye to eye with Elijah and this is a fact. He refused to fire Angelo Dundee and stop associating so heavily with whites. His following of the NOI was loose to say the least. In the 70s he started to distance himself from the NOI. Listen to a couple of Ali's speeches, interviews, and general conversation then come back and say he was ******. 'African Americans gotta stop always blaming white people for their problems, should quit always beggin white men for things they should do for themselves, learn to stand on their own two feet' - MUHAMMAD ALI 1973.
**** OFF AND LEARN.

[smasher]

Eilijah's son took over the nation and taught that the black people shouldn't blame their problems on the white man, thats why Ali changed his mind.....because he was told to, Ali was never really smart.

I find it strange that you would deem Ali as not being very smart because he followed the teachings of his religion.

How many Catholics the world wide flock to listen to and follow the religious guidance of a little old man in a white gown and funny hat, then live a life based on guilt and fear of an invisible man in the sky who is apparently capable of simultaneously monitoring everyone's thoughts and actions.

Maybe they're not very smart either.

[hellfire508]

I find it strange that you would deem Ali as not being very smart because he followed the teachings of his religion.

How many Catholics the world wide flock to listen to and follow the religious guidance of a little old man in a white gown and funny hat, then live a life based on guilt and fear of an invisible man in the sky who is apparently capable of simultaneously monitoring everyone's thoughts and actions.

Maybe they're not very smart either.

Spot on mate.

[The_One77]

He was good at talking, he wasn't an expertise in his field....and he wasn't any political leader either.
He basically always repeated himself in every interview, what his views were on race seperation, marriage etc. He just basically had an opinion like everyone else, calling white people devils and sounded like he had nothing to do with them when all along he dealt with white people everyday like Dundee and Kilroy. He was a hypocrite.
What did Ali say about his sudden change after all those years of blaming white people?...

After Eilijah died and Wallace took over the nation.

"Wallace showed that color don't matter. He taught that we're responsible for our own lifes and it's no good to blame our problems on other people. And that sounded right to me so i followed Wallace."

He basically followed everything that Eilijah told him to say, like a dog following it's master.

[smasher]

He was good at talking, he wasn't an expertise in his field....and he wasn't any political leader either.
He basically always repeated himself in every interview, what his views were on race seperation, marriage etc. He just basically had an opinion like everyone else, calling white people devils and sounded like he had nothing to do with them when all along he dealt with white people everyday like Dundee and Kilroy. He was a hypocrite.
What did Ali say about his sudden change after all those years of blaming white people?...

After Eilijah died and Wallace took over the nation.

"Wallace showed that color don't matter. He taught that we're responsible for our own lifes and it's no good to blame our problems on other people. And that sounded right to me so i followed Wallace."

He basically followed everything that Eilijah told him to say, like a dog following it's master.

Have you ever heard of maturing and growing as an individual through life experience? All that white man is the devil bull**** was being fed to Ali when he was a young and impressionable man in his early 20's. Ali re-gurgitated it but had to have had conflicting thoughts when he was trained by a white man, his doctor was a white man, his promoters were white men, his management were white men (The Louisville Sponsor Group) and the very media that Ali loved to hang out with interact with and entertain were whites.

I have no idea how old you are but if you're in your 20's I can guarantee you that one day in the distant future I'm sure you will look back on some of the things you say, do and believe in and question where the **** your head was at.

[The_One77]

Have you ever heard of maturing and growing as an individual through life experience? All that white man is the devil bull**** was being fed to Ali when he was a young and impressionable man in his early 20's. Ali re-gurgitated it but had to have had conflicting thoughts when he was trained by a white man, his doctor was a white man, his promoters were white men, his management were white men (The Louisville Sponsor Group) and the very media that Ali loved to hang out with interact with and entertain were whites.

I have no idea how old you are but if you're in your 20's I can guarantee you that one day in the distant future I'm sure you will look back on some of the things you say, do and believe in and question where the **** your head was at.

i know what you're saying, im just describing what Ali was like at the particular time in his life.

[rickypryor]

......."Know Your History"......

When it comes to boxing, Ali IS TRULY Over-rated. I consider Ali as one of the greats who made boxing great, but he did NOT act like a champion nor carried himself like one. He is NOT "The Greatest" in my eyes.

If we compare Boxing Records to Report cards in High School, Rocky Marciano is "The Greatest" for his Undefeated Record.

If we leave ALL hype behind and all egos and favorites behind and counter-scenarios of who would have won out of any Heavyweight Champion in the History of Boxing and look at JUST the records, Rocky Marciano is "The Greatest" for his Undefeated Record.

If we look at one of the only Heavyweights, if not the only one, to STAY RETIRED when he announced retirement and proceeded down victory lane gracefully and like a TRUE CHAMPION:

Rocky Marciano is "The Greatest".


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In the replying words of Roger Mayweather to Antonio Margarito as he talked Mayweather down and saying he could beat him in his Prime......."You ain't even in my time, Know Ya' DAMN HISTORY!"

[butterfly1964]

When it comes to boxing, Ali IS TRULY Over-rated. I consider Ali as one of the greats who made boxing great, but he did NOT act like a champion nor carried himself like one. He is NOT "The Greatest" in my eyes.

If we compare Boxing Records to Report cards in High School, Rocky Marciano is "The Greatest" for his Undefeated Record.

If we leave ALL hype behind and all egos and favorites behind and counter-scenarios of who would have won out of any Heavyweight Champion in the History of Boxing and look at JUST the records, Rocky Marciano is "The Greatest" for his Undefeated Record.

If we look at one of the only Heavyweights, if not the only one, to STAY RETIRED when he announced retirement and proceeded down victory lane gracefully and like a TRUE CHAMPION:

Rocky Marciano is "The Greatest".


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In the replying words of Roger Mayweather to Antonio Margarito as he talked Mayweather down and saying he could beat him in his Prime......."You ain't even in my time, Know Ya' DAMN HISTORY!"

sure rickypryor, marciano is the greatest. i guess that's why he was almost ko'd by a 42yr. old middleweight with one punch, huh? i guess thats why bums like lastarza could embarrass him but still get robbed? i guess that's why marciano is the most overrated piece of crap hw ever in the history of boxing? marciano is only the greatest to white racist ******s who need a white to be their savior. marciano was nothing but a bum who fought other bums. if he fought any top ten hw he would be crushed! guys like ali and holmes would have cut him up and embarrased him. johnson, louis, lewis, dempsey and frazier would methodically beat him down with ease. and foreman liston and tyson would just jump all over that little bum and kill him! marciano is just an over-hyped, unskilled cruiserweight who will only be known as "the greatest" to some because of his skin color.

[sleazyfellow]

butterfly...why u always gotta bring race into it, it has nothing to do with race, what if ali was white u prolly wouldnt b hanging on his nuts so hard, although the 49-0 record is great it wasnt exactly a great title reign, which is why i dislike marciano. but bringing skin color into it is just dumb, mayb thats the reason u like ali so much cause u wish u were black..