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  • #21
    Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
    after the ali win-its pretty much frazier getting beat up

    2nd best win is beating a lightheavy foster

    I think frazier was a one-hit wonder in terms of ATGs

    I think he is a great fighter, but his resume gets left in the dust by joe louis, ali, foreman, holyfield and lewis,,,, Just my opinion
    Man, you really have ****ty logic. To call him a one-hit wonder is borderline ******ed. The first Ali victory is one of the best wins in HW history if we're being 100% honest. Frazier did his thing and only lost to ATGs.

    After the first Ali fight he beat Bugner and Quarry who are 2 quality opponents. Not his best wins, but still good opponents. The five HW's you picked would leave most people's resumes in the dust.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by young_robbed View Post
      Don't know if he has been mentioned yet but if he is considered an ATG, Calzaghe has a real weak resume.



      Foster is an ATG LHW, easily top 10 and easily one of the hardest LHW punchers of all time. Maybe the hardest.
      Of course he's an ATG LHW.

      Just not an ATG in general.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
        Buster douglas beat a prime tyson,,,

        after the ali win-its pretty much frazier getting beat up

        2nd best win is beating a lightheavy foster

        I think frazier was a one-hit wonder in terms of ATGs

        I think he is a great fighter, but his resume gets left in the dust by joe louis, ali, foreman, holyfield and lewis,,,, Just my opinion
        He only ever lost to Ali and Foreman and he beat Ali when they first fought. Definitely not the 'worst' ATG.

        As a side note, I think it's fair to say that Frazier definitely peaked in the first Ali fight, but the rest of his career is by no means Joe just 'getting beat up'.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by young_robbed View Post
          Man, you really have ****ty logic. To call him a one-hit wonder is borderline ******ed. The first Ali victory is one of the best wins in HW history if we're being 100% honest. Frazier did his thing and only lost to ATGs.

          After the first Ali fight he beat Bugner and Quarry who are 2 quality opponents. Not his best wins, but still good opponents. The five HW's you picked would leave most people's resumes in the dust.
          Grant it calling him a one-hit wonder was alittle harsh,, but in terms of ATG his resume is pretty soft,, Yes he won the FIGHT of the CENTURY but i really dont see many ATG wins after that,,, Getting beat twice by ali and being stopped twice by foreman,, i just dont see much ATG wins except the ALi victory...
          He was just one of the first that popped into my head when this question came up

          Originally posted by Pacquiaoifyable View Post
          He only ever lost to Ali and Foreman and he beat Ali when they first fought. Definitely not the 'worst' ATG.

          As a side note, I think it's fair to say that Frazier definitely peaked in the first Ali fight, but the rest of his career is by no means Joe just 'getting beat up'.
          Yes he did peak at ali fight, and to be fair, pressure fighters like frazier usually have a shorter shelf life than other boxers...

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          • #25
            Originally posted by young_robbed View Post
            Man, you really have ****ty logic. To call him a one-hit wonder is borderline ******ed. The first Ali victory is one of the best wins in HW history if we're being 100% honest. Frazier did his thing and only lost to ATGs.

            After the first Ali fight he beat Bugner and Quarry who are 2 quality opponents. Not his best wins, but still good opponents. The five HW's you picked would leave most people's resumes in the dust.
            In terms of ATG, frazier only has one ATG win,,, hence why i call him a one-hit wonder of the ATG's...

            Im not saying he is like buster douglas who was a true one-hit wonder,,,

            But if we are talking about ATG wins,, then yes frazier has one,, just one,, so that would in theory make him a one-hit wonder amongst ATG's

            Take away the ali victory and he doesnt have much of a resume in terms of ATG

            The par is extremely high when dealing with ATG's

            i hope that clears up my ****ty ******ed logic,,,,,,,,

            unless you can name me another ATG victory he had besides ali and not just a quality wins,,,,

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
              In terms of ATG, frazier only has one ATG win,,, hence why i call him a one-hit wonder of the ATG's...

              Im not saying he is like buster douglas who was a true one-hit wonder,,,

              But if we are talking about ATG wins,, then yes frazier has one,, just one,, so that would in theory make him a one-hit wonder amongst ATG's

              Take away the ali victory and he doesnt have much of a resume in terms of ATG

              The par is extremely high when dealing with ATG's

              i hope that clears up my ****ty ******ed logic,,,,,,,,

              unless you can name me another ATG victory he had besides ali and not just a quality wins,,,,
              If Louis and Marciano both have better resumes than Frazier, What are their ATG wins?

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Boxing Bob View Post
                If Louis and Marciano both have better resumes than Frazier, What are their ATG wins?
                Good post,,,

                i said in my intial post that i thought frazier, marciano and roy jones were the weakest resume of ATG,,, they were just the first to pop into my head, some other posters have mentioned some other great candidates...

                i think marciano has an extremely weak ATG resume,,,

                Louis im not so sure about,,, he is really tricky to rate because he had such long legavity and that he ko'd max schelming at a time when that was the biggest fight ever....

                One of marciano's best wins is vs an old shot louis, tells you how much a louis meant to the sport

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
                  In terms of ATG, frazier only has one ATG win,,, hence why i call him a one-hit wonder of the ATG's...

                  Im not saying he is like buster douglas who was a true one-hit wonder,,,

                  But if we are talking about ATG wins,, then yes frazier has one,, just one,, so that would in theory make him a one-hit wonder amongst ATG's

                  Take away the ali victory and he doesnt have much of a resume in terms of ATG

                  The par is extremely high when dealing with ATG's

                  i hope that clears up my ****ty ******ed logic,,,,,,,,

                  unless you can name me another ATG victory he had besides ali and not just a quality wins,,,,
                  The vast majority of ATG Heavyweights don't have wins over in-prime fellow ATGs. It's a rarity for two in-prime ATGs to be fighting at the same time. If a fighter does have one of those scalps on their resume then it's a huge bonus, but for the most part ATG resumes at Heavy are built on the very good fighters you beat not the great fighters you beat.

                  Poet

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
                    The vast majority of ATG Heavyweights don't have wins over in-prime fellow ATGs. It's a rarity for two in-prime ATGs to be fighting at the same time. If a fighter does have one of those scalps on their resume then it's a huge bonus, but for the most part ATG resumes at Heavy are built on the very good fighters you beat not the great fighters you beat.

                    Poet
                    True about the heavy's very rarely having another ATG in their era,,,

                    But frazier fought in the 70's when he fought ali and foreman and went 1-4 vs them,, and also never fought lyles, norton, young, etc...

                    Frazier had alot of quality wins in the 60's but in the best heavyweight era ever, he had 1 win over ali,,, and a couple of quality wins,,,

                    So i think it is fair to judge frazier as a one-hit wonder in terms of ATG

                    Say he never fights ali,,, he would just be known as the guy foreman destroyed,,,,

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                    • #30
                      Naseem Hamed, and yes people have told me that he's an ATG.

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