Floyd is P4P #2 ever after SRR?

[beez721]

No doubt that Whitaker was fading when he fought DLH. He had just struggled in two fights with ordinary Wilfredo Rivera and he had to rally to avoid losing to Hurtado. After his loss to DLH (which he may have deserved to lose but certainly didn't take a beating), Whitaker never won another fight. Sounds like the end to me.

whitaker was faded. his elusive defense was gone. his power got a bit better has he set down on his punches more but he was definitely faded when he barely lost to dlh. no doubt about that

[Anthony342]

Both. Actually truth be told the Klits don't have to duck anybody do they? being the state of the division and all I think their image is handled and media induced through their management. I also do not think that either guy looks around and takes a challenge from a hot prospect the fans might want to see. Lewis got a lot of flack for safety first, but Lewis often went out of his way to fight the guys the public demanded....Briggs, Golata, to name a few...Lets also remember that Lewis took the Vitali fight on a lark, he was supposed to fight a nobody (Kirk Douglas). The Klits are not exactly looking to do the same are they? why not fight Dontey Wilder of Furey? Because people want to see it. Bronte would rather sell us some pathetic safe win like Povatkin....sure right, he is the mandatory after all.....Seriously though, guys like Evander would laugh give the belt to Povatkin and fight throughthe real challenges. See the difference?

Thats my take on the situation

So they're ducking the tough challenges now, but were they always that way throughout their title reigns?

[Anthony342]

Vitali is done, by the way and I don't see why Wlad wouldn't take on Fury and eventually Wilder when he beats a good contender and earns a title shot.

[IronDanHamza]

Ring magazine rankings suck now that GBP owns ring.. They have broner and canelo in top 10. LMAO,,,, i dont know how someone could rank mosely at the time over guys like donaire and serg

He was universally P4P#3 by all lists not just The Ring so that's not going to stick.

And you can't just use that reasoning when it suits you. You can't justify the Whitaker win by saying "He was P4P #3 and lineal Champ" then in the next breath say it doesn't matter regarding Mosley who was also P4P #3 and Lineal champ at 147.


[QUOTE=Sugar Adam Ali;13934662]m talking about his resume,, and also he was the face of boxing, the top only floyd, oscar, tyson, SRL, ali can say that over the last few decades.. That is why i bring up oscar,, great resume and one of the few guys to be in floyd's position as the top dog in boxing
Whitaker may have been on a slide but he was still an elite fighter,, difference between mosley and whittaker is pernell hadnt lost in about a decade, whereas mosely had been beaten by cotto, forrest twice, winky twice, got a gift vs oscar rematch,,,, Then suddenly he beats collazo, a shot vargas twice, shot mayorga and was in a close fight with mayorga, and happens to ko margs,, good win, but not exactly a great win streak when your basically 6-5 over the last few years with a gift vs oscar,,, pernell was a much better fighter, and fought a much better fight, than shane who basically looked horrible and old vs floyd,,, So i think its pretty unfair to say that pernell and shane were the same,,, [\QUOTE]

How are you talking resume?

You're talking whether he was on the slide or not which he absolutely was.

Whatever makes your day,,,, Calzaghe has at least taken on the other champs in a division,,, legit champs that are prime, active, undefeated,,, now when has floyd done that,,,,, been a champ and fougth other active champs,, he never fought casamoyer or freitas,, never fought johnston or spadafora, never fought hatton cotto, tzsu, maussa, harris,, never fought cotto, margs, williams, manny, tim,, he doesnt really campaign at jr mw so i wont make a big deal out of that,,,
But please tell me when floyd defended his belt vs another real champ,, corrales but corrales hadnt been active or at that weight, was going to jail,,, Floyd never fought another champ in his weight classes, in big unification fights like calzaghe,,,
So laugh all you want,, but please tell me the big unification fights that floyd has fought and won vs other active prime champs

Mayweathers opposition far outweighs the likes of Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins.

The term "at least Calzaghe fought Lacy" is just comical.

Mayweathers 130-135 run alone is better than those wins and Calzaghes whole resume.

Who cares about unifying the paper titles?

Would Mayweather-Alexander be some great win for Mayweather and comparable to Calzahges amazing Lacy win because "he's unified against the other champs" ? Could you then say "well at least Floyd beat Alexander" ?

[IronDanHamza]

I get what your saying about paper champs, and i agree with alot your saying, but kessler and lacy and calzaghe were considered the top 3 fighters at 168 at the time,,, Joe beat them both,,, then went up and beat the #1 light heavy,,,
floyd has never taken on the top guys in a division,, at 130 he did fight corrales, but at 135 he fought JLC, and thats it, at 140 he really didnt fight anyone,, corley was a nice win for debuting in the weight class, but brusceles and gatti and shambra were jokes of a fight,,,, Zab had just lost to baldomir, spinks, tzsyu, so beating him is nothing special, baldomir was basically the worst lineal welter champ ever,,, other champs at the time were margs, cotto, williams,,
Floyd has never challenged himself vs the other champs

Im not trying to say calzghe is a better fighter, but he has challenged himself and floyd has not, and calzaghe was never the face of boxing or the top draw in the entire sport,, floyd is on the top like oscar, SRL, ali,,, and all those fighters fought tough fights and challenged themselves, floyd has not lived up to the others before him,,,,

Look at how these guys fought when they reached the mountain top
SRL- benitez, duran twice, hearns, ayuble,, in about 2 years time, hagler
OScar- pernell, ike, tito, shane, vargas, hopkins, floyd, manny
floyd- oscar, hatton,jmm, ortiz, ghost, cotto, shane, canelo, and in 3 of those fights, they werent at the right weight, and oscar, cotto and shane were old and nowhere near their prime

Now you cant look at that and claim floyd deserves praise for his resume and that he has taken all the big fights, because in reality, floyd has one of the worst resumes for an ATG,, and def the worst one ever for guys that can claim to be the face of boxing and the biggest draw

Calzaghe challenged himself and Floyd didn't?

The only fighter Cazlaghe wasnt the favourite and expected to lose was Lacy.

Just like Mayweather was only the underdog against Corrales who's a lot better than Lacy.

Other than that, Floyd fought Hernandez, Mosley, Canelo, Castillo 2 who were all universally considered to be threatening fights at the very least on the level of Hopkins and Kessler for Calzaghe.

[IronDanHamza]

1. pernell had never clearly lost,,, his last lost was a decade earlier, he was still a top 3 p#p guy,, people wanna compare him to mosely that floyd fought, but i dont recall pernell losing twice to the same fighter twice, like shane with winky and forrest, and losing to cotto,, and getting a gift vs oscar rematch,, Is that p4p greatness,,, top level fighters shane fought before floyd,, margs, cotto, winky twice, oscar, forrest twice,, and the dude was 2-5 and should have been 1-6, yet people claim he was the p4p #3 guy in 2010,, One big win in a decade doesnt make you a p4p #3 guy,,,

So yes pernel 97 is better than any fighter on floyd's resume,,, pernell 97 could beat anyone that floyd has fought, nobody on floyd's resume beat pernel

2. no one ever claimed that calzaghe had the better career,,, the only claim that was made was that Joe in his weight class took on all other champs when it was all said and done,, lacy had a belt, joe had a belt, kessler had 2 belts,, Joe beat them for all the belts,,
Remind me again when floyd has fought another champ,, it was over a decade ago vs corrales,, outside of that one time he never fought outher champs or the other best in the division,,,
130- casamoyer, freitas
135- spadafora, johnston, lazcano, freitas, casamoyer,, yet he fights ndou and sosa
140- tsyzu, hatton, cotto, harris, witter, maussa, and we get shambra, bruscles gatti
147- cotto, shane, margs, williams, manny, bradley,,, but we get jmm, ortiz, ghost, khan????


3. Oscar was the face of boxing and the biggest draw,, only floyd, oscar, tyson, SRL, ali can say they have been that,, not hagler, not duran, not chavez, not canelo, not shane, not tito, not roy jones,,,,

Oscar was the face of boxing and took nothing but big fights, he fought how many top p4p guys ie pernell, ike, tito, shane twice, vargas, hopkins, floyd, manny.. look at those names,, the dude has fought the last 3 p4p #1 kings in their prime in floyd, manny, hopkins...
So you are ******ed to think oscar's name doesnt get brought up,, if oscar had fought floyd's schedule of opponents oscar would be undefeated too,,,
Think about that,,
Now tell me again what top p4p guy floyd fought that was prime,,, and please dont say 2-5 vs top guys mosely, because GBP rigs the rankings to favor any future floyd opponent, hence why mosely, ghost, canelo, broner have all been ranked above better guys like rigo, ggg, garcia, etc,,,,

So im glad you found this all amusing,

Floyd fought a long list of Top 5 ranked opposition, 15 or more.

Cazlaghe fought a whole 3 in his whole career.

He fought Corales who was top 5 P4P, he fought Hatton who was top 10 P4P, both on their primes.

He fought Mosley who was top 3 P4P and again that was universal not just by The Ring so bad excuse.

Guererro and Canelo were also Top 10 P4P but those aren't as legit.

Fact is, to say Calzaghe challenged himself and Floyd didn't is absurd and flat out wrong.

[beez721]

Floyd fought a long list of Top 5 ranked opposition, 15 or more.

Cazlaghe fought a whole 3 in his whole career.

He fought Corales who was top 5 P4P, he fought Hatton who was top 10 P4P, both on their primes.

He fought Mosley who was top 3 P4P and again that was universal not just by The Ring so bad excuse.

Guererro and Canelo were also Top 10 P4P but those aren't as legit.

Fact is, to say Calzaghe challenged himself and Floyd didn't is absurd and flat out wrong.

Floyd definitely fought a much larger number of very good fighters. calzaches record is very padded

[soul_survivor]

Of course he's not top two pound for pound.

Now you can show me where I ever made that claim.

Lil Miss dumbass I'm talkin about the thread ... cos you know that's the topic we all on about

[beez721]

Lil Miss dumbass I'm talkin about the thread ... cos you know that's the topic we all on about

no need to resort to name calling becuz someone disagrees with you. grow up man

[mickey malone]

Why do you think "He's not that good?"

I would like to see your explanation.

Sugar Adam Ali, has already answered for me, and perfectly too.
For me to be more concise,, too many mediocre performances, has'nt showed the hunger to match his hype.. Bit of an anti-climax really.