'Lennox Lewis is not an ATG' IronDanHamza

[Weltschmerz]

Well p4p is not supposed to be for HWs, is it?

[Panamaniac]

He may be overrated now but rewind 10 years and the thought of him being an ATG P4P would be considered nothing more than mild humour.

That's something that is seriously lacking on this forum... That aside, I'll say this about Lewis: He was definately noteworthy, prominent and - to a wide cult following - a Sacred Cow.

[IronDanHamza]

You did not clarify this.

You could have at least talked about Lewis with more class. You go on to say that 'Wladimir is ranked below Lewis' but than started bashing Lewis by calling guys like Ruddock, Golota, and Tua 'bums'. And 'no names worth mentioning'

Of course Lewis is not an ATG P4P. He is a top 15-5 Heavyweight (Depending on who's doing the rankings) nobody argue with that.

The way you wrote it made it sound like you don't even admit Lewis is an ATG Heavyweight.

Ruddock isn't a nobody you know. He was a good heavy and took an elite Tyson to the deep end twice. Golota dominated Bowe twice.. ya he had mental issues but he was a slight favorite heading into the Lewis fight and the way Lewis demolished him in 1 round is impressive.

Nobody is saying Ruddock or Golota are ATG Heavyweights, but people are saying the way Lewis DOMINATED them in 1-2 rounds was impressive.

Golota and Ruddock are much more dangerous than a 40 year old Tony Thompson at least. You don't see Wlad doing that to Thompson in 1 round.


Once again, your trash talking of Lewis went a bit too far and you know it. When a great poster suddenly lower himself with insults that indicates we found the great poster's bias. In your case.. it's anti Lewis.

The thread where I said this on was "Who has the best resume of the last 25 years" and in response to a poster who said he had a better resume than the likes of Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquaio, Bernard Hopkins etc so I responded with "They are all certified ATG's, Lennox Lewis is not".

So, it's relatively clear what I was saying but incase any confusion to clarify, I don't feel Lennox Lewis is an ATG. But, I do feel he's an ATG Heavyweight.

When did I call Ruddock, Golota and Tua "bums"? Please quote me because I can tell you right now that I absolutely did not call either of those 3 fighters bums.

Razor Ruddock is one of Lewis' best wins IMO, so I certainly didn't say that about him.

I don't think I even touched on Golota at all at any point.

All I said about Tua was "That version of Tua (His all time heaviest and clearly out of shape)" wasn't better than everything Wladimir Klitschko has done like a poster was suggesting.

You seem to get the sense I'm some sort of huge Wlad fan by touching on the fact that Golota and Ruddock are better wins than Tony Thompson, which, they absolutely are. Despite the fact I only rank Wlad a few places behind Lewis, Lewis still has the better resume and I wouldn't deny that.

I like Wlad and consider myself a fan but I'm by no means a big fan of his.

I'm really not Anti-Lewis. If I am an "Anti" of any fighter, I have no problem in saying so.

My "Trash talk", if you can call it that, was merely in response to a poster who made the ridiculous claim that Lennox Lewis has the best resume of the last 25 years. Nothing more, nothing less. I think you can ask anyone on here and they will tell you I am not "Anti-Lewis".

[NChristo]

That's something that is seriously lacking on this forum... That aside, I'll say this about Lewis: He was definately noteworthy, prominent and - to a wide cult following - a Sacred Cow.

Everyone here has a sense of humour, you just aren't funny.

[B-Bomber]

Thank you firstly for dedicating a thread to my opinion.

Secondly, I don't think Lennox Lewis is considered an ATG by the "Vast majority of the Boxing world".

I mean, if Lewis is an ATG, is Sonny Liston an ATG? Is Joe Fraizer an ATG? I don't think the "vast majorty" think they are ATG's just as Lennox Lewis.

I'm talking ATG P4P, by the way.

In regards to him being an ATG Heavyweight, yes he is an ATG in my opinion. Because I consider all the Top 15 HW's to be ATG HW's.

Couldn't agree more.

Top 15 hw , without any doubt, but not a p4p ATG.

I don't understand why some people seem to think that considering Lewis a top 15hw almost equals calling him a bum.

[Daddy T]

As long as he can give good reasoning as to why he doesn't think Lewis is an ATG, I couldn't give a fuck. Perhaps he considers him a top heavyweight but not an ATG and it's not hard to believe there are 100 fighters who'd be ranked ahead of him on such a list.

you said **** without it being blurred, how the **** did that happen?? ahhh wait now i see ... thou art fucking wise in the ways of boxingscene

[WizardKO]

The thread where I said this on was "Who has the best resume of the last 25 years" and in response to a poster who said he had a better resume than the likes of Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquaio, Bernard Hopkins etc so I responded with "They are all certified ATG's, Lennox Lewis is not".

So, it's relatively clear what I was saying but incase any confusion to clarify, I don't feel Lennox Lewis is an ATG. But, I do feel he's an ATG Heavyweight.

When did I call Ruddock, Golota and Tua "bums"? Please quote me because I can tell you right now that I absolutely did not call either of those 3 fighters bums.

Razor Ruddock is one of Lewis' best wins IMO, so I certainly didn't say that about him.

I don't think I even touched on Golota at all at any point.

All I said about Tua was "That version of Tua (His all time heaviest and clearly out of shape)" wasn't better than everything Wladimir Klitschko has done like a poster was suggesting.

You seem to get the sense I'm some sort of huge Wlad fan by touching on the fact that Golota and Ruddock are better wins than Tony Thompson, which, they absolutely are. Despite the fact I only rank Wlad a few places behind Lewis, Lewis still has the better resume and I wouldn't deny that.

I like Wlad and consider myself a fan but I'm by no means a big fan of his.

I'm really not Anti-Lewis. If I am an "Anti" of any fighter, I have no problem in saying so.

My "Trash talk", if you can call it that, was merely in response to a poster who made the ridiculous claim that Lennox Lewis has the best resume of the last 25 years. Nothing more, nothing less. I think you can ask anyone on here and they will tell you I am not "Anti-Lewis".

Great Post. Thank you for responding.
I misunderstood and that was my fault. I apologize. I just want to add one more thing .. the reason Ruddock was one of Lennox's best wins like I said is the way he demolished Ruddock.

If Lewis won a UD over Ruddock and Wlad knocked out Prime Thompson in 1 round.. than it's actually debatable which was the better win (imo)

Lewis is a very dangerous fighter when he wanted to be. Anyways thanks again for responding. Yes Lewis is not a p4p ATG. It's God's fault he ended up 6'5 and 243 pounds of granite muscles.

[Ray Corso]

Probably a top twenty-five heavyweight, he'd be competitive in any era and do well. He did get blasted out by non-top twenty-five contenders but he did well to rectify that situation. Pretty good boxer, fair fighter, decent power!!
Ray.

[The Surgeon]

Probably a top twenty-five heavyweight, he'd be competitive in any era and do well. He did get blasted out by non-top twenty-five contenders but he did well to rectify that situation. Pretty good boxer, fair fighter, decent power!!
Ray.

I dont like the dude. Was an aloof prick

Think saying "decent power" is a bit of an understatement though, Lewis had Huge power in that Right hand man

[WizardKO]

Actually .. come to think of it.

Someone list me 100 fighters with a resume better than Lewis.

If you can't. Lewis is not just an 'ATG' Heavyweight. But an ATG Period.

Top 100 fighters of all times = ATG Regardless of weight class.


Multiple boxing sources got Lewis as a top 100 fighter (overall).

Posters on this site like 'IronDan' and others , you guys sound knowledgeable and intelligent. but if someone asked 'will I trust ESPN, who put Lennox at top 10 HW" or some poster on 'boxingscene' who put Lennox Lewis at top 15.. I will say I trust ESPN.

Will I trust 'boxingnews' rankings or some poster on BoxingScene (a website made by fans for fans of boxing).. I must go with the official source. I must go with the writers and analysts who actually do this for a living as oppose to fans who just voice their opinions (regardless of how good)


You guys can mock and insult the writers all you guys want. Laugh at them behind your keyboards and belittle their opinions, viewing them as 'delusional or idiotic' but the bottom line is.

Boxing is their profession. Boxing is YOUR HOBBY. I have yet to hear a writer who said 'Lennox Lewis is not an ATG, just an 'ATG HEAVYWEIGHT' That is borderline nit picking at it's finest.

So just list 100 fighters with a resume greater than Lewis. If you can.