Who Thinks Butterfly Overrates every single oppnent Ali Has Fought.

[Yogi]

if jack sharkey was listed in the top 30, then jimmy ellis, jerry quarry, george chuvalo, and floyd patterson should have been too, all of them were beat by frazier.

Frazier beat Patterson, did he?

Interesting, but the answer probably isn't even important since I don't believe even Patterson made the their top thirty.

[butterfly1964]

Frazier beat Patterson, did he?

Interesting, but the answer probably isn't even important since I don't believe even Patterson made the their top thirty.

he didn't? oh, well when i read frazier's auto biography, i thought he said something about fighting floyd patterson, guess i was wrong, my bad.

[Yogi]

he didn't? oh, well when i read frazier's auto biography, i thought he said something about fighting floyd patterson, guess i was wrong, my bad.

Now that you've crossed Patterson off that list, what makes you think that Quarry and Ellis were better all-time Heavyweights than Jack Sharkey, which is what you seemed to be implying?

[butterfly1964]

Now that you've crossed Patterson off that list, what makes you think that Quarry and Ellis were better all-time Heavyweights than Jack Sharkey, which is what you seemed to be implying?

do you think sharkey could beat quarry and ellis in a boxing match?

[Dempsey1238]

yes I belive you are RELLY over rated Ellies and Qurrey.

I think Yogi would say Sharkey would beat em.

Sharkey almost beat Jack Dempsey, Holds a win over Harry Wills, other one of the black crew with George Godfrey, than beat Mike McTigue, in route to loseing to Jack Dempsey.

Sure people may say Wills was shot, but still these 3 are ALL time greats. Thats more than Ellies or Qurrey ever did in there run. Oh yeah I guess if you give em props for loseing to Ali and Fraizer.

Wins over Stribling and Delaney dont hurt Sharkey with compare to Qurrey and Ellies.

[butterfly1964]

yes I belive you are RELLY over rated Ellies and Qurrey.

I think Yogi would say Sharkey would beat em.

Sharkey almost beat Jack Dempsey, Holds a win over Harry Wills, other one of the black crew with George Godfrey, than beat Mike McTigue, in route to loseing to Jack Dempsey.

Sure people may say Wills was shot, but still these 3 are ALL time greats. Thats more than Ellies or Qurrey ever did in there run. Oh yeah I guess if you give em props for loseing to Ali and Fraizer.

Wins over Stribling and Delaney dont hurt Sharkey with compare to Qurrey and Ellies.

i just don't see sharkey beating them. ellis is quick, in fact he was ali's key sparring partner in the 60s, so ellis had to be fast. quarry opened up on the great joe frazier and stunned him, before getting ko'd.

[Dempsey1238]

Well Sharkey was pretty fast also, Dont judge the bout Louis bout, Sharkey was already pass it. And took a year off before his comeback fights.

Sharkey is HIGHLY underated, he was a fine boxer, and he had ok power. He was able to RELLY Hurt Dempsey in the first round, which shock Dempsey. Dempsey of couse recover, and ko Sharkey in round 7. And I belive Dempsey had a better chin than Fraizer. So I could see Sharkey hurting Fraizer, if he caught him right.

[Brassangel]

Marciano was still overweight for that bout, even after the training he went through. Realistically, a 46 year old man can't go through the same physical preparations that a 27 year old man can. Rocky spotted Ali 19 years of aging, 14 years of rust, and double the amount of "out-of-shape" pounds than Ali did, and he still smoked him. While it was a simulation, it eludes to the fact that even a bull-rushing, smaller slugger could hang with The Greatest. I still think Ali would have beaten him, but hey...who really knows?

[Yogi]

I think Yogi would say Sharkey would beat em.

Yes, yes I would and I think addition to be more talented, Sharkey is a bad matchup for Quarry who usually performs at his best when confronted with an aggressive adversary (Quarry would be forced in the not so comfortable, for him, role of aggressor).

Sharkey/Ellis wouldn't likely be the most crowd pleasing contest, but again I think Sharkey's superior talents wins that matchup.

Either way, I doubt either of those two can match up with what Sharkey accomplished during his career, which was at least 14 seperate wins over Heavyweights ranked by The Ring, about a half dozen wins against fighters in the HOF, as well as winning the linear Heavyweight Championship of the World.

[butterfly1964]

Well Sharkey was pretty fast also, Dont judge the bout Louis bout, Sharkey was already pass it. And took a year off before his comeback fights.

Sharkey is HIGHLY underated, he was a fine boxer, and he had ok power. He was able to RELLY Hurt Dempsey in the first round, which shock Dempsey. Dempsey of couse recover, and ko Sharkey in round 7. And I belive Dempsey had a better chin than Fraizer. So I could see Sharkey hurting Fraizer, if he caught him right.

dempsey was done by he time the fought sharkey. you can't base it on that.