Joe Frazier vs. Evander Holyfield

[HOUDINI563]

I watch both fights live. First was wildly exciting but a clear Holyfield win. Note Holy was unmarked at fights end.

I loved Frazier. Never rooted against him. However one cannot gloss over his major deficit which was left to right hand coordination. A great boxer can negate a one armed fighters only major blow. Holy had these skills along with the conditioning and chin to get through tough points in the bout and come away with the decision.

[billeau2]

I watch both fights live. First was wildly exciting but a clear Holyfield win. Note Holy was unmarked at fights end.

I loved Frazier. Never rooted against him. However one cannot gloss over his major deficit which was left to right hand coordination. A great boxer can negate a one armed fighters only major blow. Holy had these skills along with the conditioning and chin to get through tough points in the bout and come away with the decision.

Very true.

its an interesting irony: A guy like Frazier, magnificent fighter, or even a guy like Razor Donavan, Pretty respectable talent (especially as a young fighter) were good enough to fight with essentially one hand. With razor this happened later, and I am not putting him near Frazier, but one would think in the upper leagues, there would be no one armed fighters and yet there is Frazier... A great fighter.

If a hitter could crack fastballs out of the park all day long, I doubt he would make it to the majors if he couldn't deal with any other pitches...Cooney was the same way. And one can see how it cost him so dearly against Holmes.

[HOUDINI563]

If Frazier had the two handed coordination and right hand power of say Marciano it would be a different story. Joe had all the intrinsic abilities of an ATG. Tremendous will to win, killer instinct. He could overwhelm most fighters without a right hand. However vs those who also had ATG intrinsic abilities and the skill to negate his hook he would face an uphill battle. Very tough fight as Joe would be attacking from round one BUT Holy had the skill to minimize what he was seeing from Joes left side. Once he does that Joe has little else to offer so the scale tips to one side.

[QueensburyRules]

If Frazier had the two handed coordination and right hand power of say Marciano it would be a different story. Joe had all the intrinsic abilities of an ATG. Tremendous will to win, killer instinct. He could overwhelm most fighters without a right hand. However vs those who also had ATG intrinsic abilities and the skill to negate his hook he would face an uphill battle. Very tough fight as Joe would be attacking from round one BUT Holy had the skill to minimize what he was seeing from Joes left side. Once he does that Joe has little else to offer so the scale tips to one side.

- -U all time gaseous Cassius couldn't figure out how to stop one note Joe from BTFO him?

U Damning U own hero priceless comedy that can only be found in boxing!

[HOUDINI563]

Joe best Sn Ali only 5 months out from a 3.5 year layoff. By round 7 he was nearly spent.

Fight 2 and 3 Ali had been active and in shape and won both stopping Joe in Manila.

Frazier had ATG will to win and heart and these attributes along with everything else he brought to the table would always give Ali and most other ATG heavyweights trouble. His lack of a right hand/right hand coordination spells trouble for him with fighters with top rung technical abilities.

[QueensburyRules]

Joe best Sn Ali only 5 months out from a 3.5 year layoff. By round 7 he was nearly spent.

Fight 2 and 3 Ali had been active and in shape and won both stopping Joe in Manila.

Frazier had ATG will to win and heart and these attributes along with everything else he brought to the table would always give Ali and most other ATG heavyweights trouble. His lack of a right hand/right hand coordination spells trouble for him with fighters with top rung technical abilities.

- -U nonconnected right and left frontal lobes stewing in Jim Jones koolaid ain't convincing nobody but U.

[HOUDINI563]

Facts are facts. I have them, you don’t. Sad.

[QueensburyRules]

Facts are facts. I have them, you don’t. Sad.

- -U damning Ali into a low testosterone count to match U count a slur on the Ali reputation.

He was an apex stud getting beat by an Apex Stud, math 101.

[HOUDINI563]

Ali is the universally named greatest of all heavyweight champions. Been that way since the mid 70’s. Speed of a middleweight (his jab was measured as faster than SRR), while being as tough as they come allowing himself to beat the most formidable array of heavyweight contenders in boxing history. The hardest punchers in boxing history tried to stop Ali, Shavers, Liston and Foreman. Ali beat them all 4-0 scoring three ko victories.

[QueensburyRules]

Ali is the universally named greatest of all heavyweight champions.

- -Used to be the province of JJJeffries and JLSullivan before him and then Tom Cribb and James Figg.

U Ali shares the crown today with Joe Louis, but the Kbros tomorrow and so on no matter U washerwomanly flurries.

Boxing 101...