Joe Frazier vs. Evander Holyfield

[smeck]

1) Frazier BATTERED Mathis and Chuvalo. His title reign was every bit as impressive as Ali's was pre-exile. It just doesn't draw the fanboys the same way.

He didn't fight Norton and Young because they were his sparring partners. He kicked their asses pretty bad, though, in the gym.

I am not too impressed by Shavers. Obviously he's a massive threat to anyone, and Joe in particular because he started soooo slow and Earnie was so good at exploiting even the smallest of opportunities. It's just hard to discredit Frazier for not fighting him, simply because Ali did.

Lyle, too was a great fighter, but one who also appears to have benefited from fighting legends in decline. If Quarry had the power to rock him, Joe should be able to put him away.

Excellent - we sometimes forget that match-making isn't always about what fans want to see, but timetable, profits, and in Joe's case, whether he really needed to fight Norton or Young when he was pretty friendly toward them.

I doubt he ducked Lyle or Shavers, but like Holyfield, we remember Ron and Earnie's best moments and not the times where they looked like an easy night for a guy like Joe Frazier.

Lyle-Foreman remains a classic. As for Earnie, I even remember him valiantly trying to take out Bernardo Mercado in a bloody brawl.

[HOUDINI563]

The way the fight is illustrated to occur is unlikely.

Frazier lacked coordination between his left and right fists. He was 95% left hook and against top opposition his right to the head was a punch Joe really had to concentrate to land and he only did so on rare occasions. It would not have been an effective blow vs Holyfield.

Holyfield was a smart technical fighter. Smart technical fighters generally develop strong fight plans to exploit opponents inabilities.

So Holy would constantly work to his left making Joe reset constantly as he tries to land his hook. Holy constantly counterpunching and Frazier bobbing and weaving.

Holy however is landing as he sidesteps especially a counter hook. Joe when he is able to corner Holyfield goes to the body effectively.

Evander is resilient however and it becomes clear he is out boxing Frazier as the rounds go by. Joe is having trouble landing his hook consistently and with this goes 75% of his offense.

Fight goes the distance with Holyfield winning the U decision 10-5, 9-6 in rounds.

[Rusty Tromboni]

The way the fight is illustrated to occur is unlikely.

Frazier lacked coordination between his left and right fists. He was 95% left hook and against top opposition his right to the head was a punch Joe really had to concentrate to land and he only did so on rare occasions. It would not have been an effective blow vs Holyfield.

Holyfield was a smart technical fighter. Smart technical fighters generally develop strong fight plans to exploit opponents inabilities.

So Holy would constantly work to his left making Joe reset constantly as he tries to land his hook. Holy constantly counterpunching and Frazier bobbing and weaving.

Holy however is landing as he sidesteps especially a counter hook. Joe when he is able to corner Holyfield goes to the body effectively.

Evander is resilient however and it becomes clear he is out boxing Frazier as the rounds go by. Joe is having trouble landing his hook consistently and with this goes 75% of his offense.

Fight goes the distance with Holyfield winning the U decision 10-5, 9-6 in rounds.

You're sure you're thinking of the same guy the rest of us are talking about?

How'd Boxing work for Mathis? Quarry had two tries at Frazier did he ever Box? How about Ali, how'd he do?

Holyfield best win was against a fat, disinterested Bowe. Bowe got the last laugh. And he didn't even need to resort to nut-shots. Holyfield also Boxed against Foreman, but even then he didn't move as well as Morrison. Yup, Tommy Gunn.

Sometimes I play up Holly's boxing skills. But that's often just to **** with people. As my previous posts seemed to have informed your current opinion, i'm telling you to discard them.

[HOUDINI563]

Rusty...you are over your head. Sit back, read and learn.

[QueensburyRules]

The way the fight is illustrated to occur is unlikely.

Frazier lacked coordination between his left and right fists. He was 95% left hook and against top opposition his right to the head was a punch Joe really had to concentrate to land and he only did so on rare occasions. It would not have been an effective blow vs Holyfield.

Holyfield was a smart technical fighter. Smart technical fighters generally develop strong fight plans to exploit opponents inabilities.

So Holy would constantly work to his left making Joe reset constantly as he tries to land his hook. Holy constantly counterpunching and Frazier bobbing and weaving.

Holy however is landing as he sidesteps especially a counter hook. Joe when he is able to corner Holyfield goes to the body effectively.

Evander is resilient however and it becomes clear he is out boxing Frazier as the rounds go by. Joe is having trouble landing his hook consistently and with this goes 75% of his offense.

Fight goes the distance with Holyfield winning the U decision 10-5, 9-6 in rounds.

- -U obvious lack communication between U right lobe and U left lobe.

Joe in the FOY sunk some of sickest rights into Ali body to match his left.

Field heavy record 28-10-2 with a low KO%, so someone was beating him. Hanging onto 40+ Big George for dear life in the championship rds tells me all I need how a Frazier fight goes.

George stopped his 10 fight KO streak that sees the rest of his career at 18-10-2 with a 30% KO%. George had a similar effect on Ali.

Your welcome!

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rusty...you are over your head. Sit back, read and learn.

When did the guy who struggled with Bobby Czyz ever fight an opponent with Frazier's footwork?

[HOUDINI563]

Pretty much all Joe could do with his right hand was to throw it to his opponents body...a much more stationary target. Anything that required coordination with his right hard was a real problem. This is why it’s all hooks from Joe. This is why he was the only heavyweight champion never to knock down or out any opponent with his right hand.

Holyfield had the talent to keep turning Joe to his right and countering with his own hook and combinations. Unlike Mathis and Ali (fight 1) Holyfield had the endurance and durability to keep up this game plan for 15 rounds. Quarry’s issue was cuts which Holyfield had little problem with.

Holyfield W15 over Frazier.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Pretty much all Joe could do with his right hand was to throw it to his opponents body...a much more stationary target. Anything that required coordination with his right hard was a real problem. This is why it’s all hooks from Joe. This is why he was the only heavyweight champion never to knock down or out any opponent with his right hand.

Holyfield had the talent to keep turning Joe to his right and countering with his own hook and combinations. Unlike Mathis and Ali (fight 1) Holyfield had the endurance and durability to keep up this game plan for 15 rounds. Quarry’s issue was cuts which Holyfield had little problem with.

Holyfield W15 over Frazier.

The overhand right he landed on Ali in the rematch was the second best punch he landed in their series. And one of the most effective punches ever landed against Ali.

You're pretending Holly had a level of mobility whivh he didn't. You're pretending Frazier's footwork was several levels below where it actually was.

Holyfield was no Fury and Frazier no Wilder.


Maybe try to watch fighters fight before commenting on them? Next you'll be coming here telling me Garcia beat Conn and Basillio beat Fullmer. It's like no one here cares one bit about the facts.

[HOUDINI563]

Rusty again you just have no idea of what you are writing about. Please pick up another sport as boxing is not your cup of tea.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rusty again you just have no idea of what you are writing about. Please pick up another sport as boxing is not your cup of tea.

Whenever I read your posts I hear the voice of George Takei.