Who has the best resume in boxing history

[10,000 Days]

Can somebody name me Archie Moore's best wins? I'm just genuinely curious as to why hes rated so highly.

[billeau2]

If we are talking wins and losses it's hard to say. Oakland Billy Smith would be up there in that regard.

If we're talking just wins I would say Robinson, Charles, Greb or Langford.

Or Armstrong.

One of those 5.

Thats a good point...i was kind of thinking about that: best resume could theoretically belong to a fighter who lost handily and regulary but fought incredible comp!

Another poster mentioned Maxie Rosenblume...."slapsy maxy" a guy who lost lots of times but fought world class comp and probably could have done a lot better but preferred not to hurt the other guy (true quote from slapsy).

[RED REP]

Thats a good point...i was kind of thinking about that: best resume could theoretically belong to a fighter who lost handily and regulary but fought incredible comp!

Another poster mentioned Maxie Rosenblume...."slapsy maxy" a guy who lost lots of times but fought world class comp and probably could have done a lot better but preferred not to hurt the other guy (true quote from slapsy).

That's right there is a difference. I think there is the best "record" which would include only wins, undefeated careers, winning multiple weight belts etc AND then there's resume, where taking loses doesn't mean anything, its more of a level of opposition faced ruler.

Evander Holyfield's record isn't ATG but his resume is, can u dig that?

[LacedUp]

Thats a good point...i was kind of thinking about that: best resume could theoretically belong to a fighter who lost handily and regulary but fought incredible comp!

Another poster mentioned Maxie Rosenblume...."slapsy maxy" a guy who lost lots of times but fought world class comp and probably could have done a lot better but preferred not to hurt the other guy (true quote from slapsy).

Well, I see your point but a resume takes everything into account.

It's like a CV. Who has the best? A guy who worked everywhere but succeeded very few places, or the guy who maybe didn't work everywhere but worked plenty of good big places, and succeeded more places?

Obviously the second guy. It's the same in boxing in my opinion.

[billeau2]

Can somebody name me Archie Moore's best wins? I'm just genuinely curious as to why hes rated so highly.

Well its not "wins" necessarily but among the people Moore fought were Oakland Billy Smith, Ezzard Charles, Joey Maxim, he even fought Ali! I think? he fought Marciano and he beat the daylights out of Burley....twice! thats a few oh and Harold Johnson is another.

[billeau2]

Well, I see your point but a resume takes everything into account.

It's like a CV. Who has the best? A guy who worked everywhere but succeeded very few places, or the guy who maybe didn't work everywhere but worked plenty of good big places, and succeeded more places?

Obviously the second guy. It's the same in boxing in my opinion.

But there are other things to consider....like how decisions were rendered in at certain times, if the fights were close, things like that. for example, the poster above asked about Moore's wins and there are some impressive wins but unless one is a somewhat familiar with boxing they would not recognize what an accomplishment it was to beat guys like Oakland Billy and Charlie Burley. And they would not recognize what a feat it was to stay with Marciano, despite losing the fight, as a veteran fighter....things like that make it somewhat more complex.

All thngs being equal I would agree with you. If you have one guy who won more fights fighting similar comp then yea.

[billeau2]

That's right there is a difference. I think there is the best "record" which would include only wins, undefeated careers, winning multiple weight belts etc AND then there's resume, where taking loses doesn't mean anything, its more of a level of opposition faced ruler.

Evander Holyfield's record isn't ATG but his resume is, can u dig that?

sure can. Its a relevant distinction. Sometimes there are guys who just lost and they lost to some of the best, and then there are guys who lost competative fights some of which are debatable. For example, Dempsey's second loss to Tunney. One could easily look at the first fight (where Tunney really did a number on Jack) and see the result of the second fight and assume that for whatever reason (Dempsey not being in his prime, Tunney being better, etc) that Dempsey just flat out lost two fights....Upon closer inspection though there was some contravery in that second fight that would have given Dempsey a win ...a kayo win in fact!

Many times judges decisions obfiscate the issue when determining the better fighter. Years from now people might well see Hopkins loss to Taylor as a relative weakness when in fact many people think Hopkins won both fights. Point being a distinction between the level of comp fought and a fighter's record is relevant as you say.

[Ray Corso]

sonyboy2..."Hagler was TWICE beaten by Kevin Finnegan but resulted to dirty tactics, butting Finnegan repeatedly. resulting in victories for Hagler. Finnegan required over 60 stitches to his face due to cuts from Haglers deliberate headbutts... Hagler was a very good fighter and champion, yet as champion he chose to fight fighters from lower weight divisions in Duran, Hearns, Mugabi, Obel, Antuofermo, Leonard... Sugar Ray Seales could hardly see daylight when Hagler beat him. Caveman Lee, Monroe, Watts & Colbert were not Championship caliber fighters... Tony Sibson was nothing better than European Level and Juan Domingo Roldan (floored Hagler) was deliberately thumbed out of the fight.. Marvin Hagler was a good fighter but thats all. Ray Leonard kicked his ass after nearly 5yrs out of the ring.. Sugar Ray Robinson, Roy Jones Jr. James Toney, Bernard Hopkins would have very little trouble taking care of Marvin Hagler."

Lets start with Hopkins having "no trouble" with Hagler? Seriously? Your dreaming!

Ray Leonard "kicked his ass" again you "dream alot" no one thinks Leonard kicked Haglers azz!
Dirty tactics? This is pro championship boxing everything is legal until the ref says NO!
My point wasn't to grade out the opposition sinplty state they all came to fight! Hagler made his manditories then also so where you get the under sized BS is on you. They all stepped up to earn the money and they all grew out of the division they were in.

Leonards "win" was calculating as all hell he let Hagler fight on at his end then came out of "hiding" to run for the distance. Plenty of people give the bout to Hagler, because in those times you had to "TAKE" the title not run and play tag to get it!
All of the men I mentioned were top twenty-five guys and all I mention never had a problem with a promoter not using them. They came from the live show era and that metal has been deflated in these times. Another words they "earned" their rep the hard way. Briscoe Monroe and Seales would be Champions today, easily!

Ray.

[Suckmedry]

Hagler was TWICE beaten by Kevin Finnegan but resulted to dirty tactics, butting Finnegan repeatedly. resulting in victories for Hagler. Finnegan required over 60 stitches to his face due to cuts from Haglers deliberate headbutts... Hagler was a very good fighter and champion, yet as champion he chose to fight fighters from lower weight divisions in Duran, Hearns, Mugabi, Obel, Antuofermo, Leonard... Sugar Ray Seales could hardly see daylight when Hagler beat him. Caveman Lee, Monroe, Watts & Colbert were not Championship caliber fighters... Tony Sibson was nothing better than European Level and Juan Domingo Roldan (floored Hagler) was deliberately thumbed out of the fight.. Marvin Hagler was a good fighter but thats all. Ray Leonard kicked his ass after nearly 5yrs out of the ring.. Sugar Ray Robinson, Roy Jones Jr. James Toney, Bernard Hopkins would have very little trouble taking care of Marvin Hagler.

i struggle to think even you believe this. No middleweight in history has "very little trouble" taking care of Hagler. LOL. Absolute garbage.

[billeau2]

i struggle to think even you believe this. No middleweight in history has "very little trouble" taking care of Hagler. LOL. Absolute garbage.

Oh sony's an idiot....he believes it!