Who Would get Knocked Down First if prime liston vs prime tyson...........

[supaduck]

Tyson '88 would have annihilated Lewis of any era. Everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that. You seem to think Tyson didn't even box, displaying even greater ignorance than I thought. Where are you from?

[blockhead]

number one, stop calling me buttfly, ok! number two, no way was tyson stronger, in punching power, or physical strength. tyson was manhandled by a cruiserweight moron! liston has the longest reach of any hw champ in history! no way does tyson get in to liston period! watch how liston destroyed a hof'er in his prime, cleveland williams! tyson never beat a hof hw when they were in their prime. friggin' bruno rocked a prime tyson, so imagine what liston could do to him.

ok BUTTFLY, you are wrong. you are almost always wrong. you are a nuthugger and a *****. have you watched them both fight? if you have how on alahs green earth can you think that liston takes tyson? you my friend are ******ed. plain and simple.

[Pugnacious_Z]

dolphan, ur a ***in ******. are u actually callin tyson ****, have u ever stepped in the ring *****?

[Dude]

Tyson '88 would have annihilated Lewis of any era. Everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that.

Since I have more than an ounce of intelligence I know that Tyson never beats Lewis because Lennox is stylewise aramgeddon for Tyson.

Lewis is just too tall, too powerfull, has a great jab and a sensational right hand. Tyson can't get inside and gets killed at long range. There's nothing he could do about if he doesn't get extremly lucky and Lennox pulls another Rahman.

I don't even get into details for this one because it's so evident.

[Dude]

they both suck and boxing history states that

This comment is disrespectfull, insulting and ******ed all in one. Both are great fighters who were world champions and have achieved more than you could ever dream of. They had (and one of them still has) their problems in their respective lifes aside the boxing ring but if we're talking about boxing both deserve respect for stepping into the ring and producing some legendary nights highlighted by their talent and passion.

If you can't aknowledge a fighter who once was champion of the world you really shouldn't call yourself a "boxing fan".

[supaduck]

Good posting, Dude, and ok I agree with you on Lewis and Dolphan (he's a ****tard). But I still prefer Tyson as a boxer.

[Verstyle]

ever seen frazier-foreman? enough said. liston takes tyson's head off in two or three rounds, tyson goes down about seven times, starting in the first round. liston is hit with a good shot maybe once or twice but is nowhere near going down.

ha yeah right. liston has slow hands. did u see how fast tyson bobbing and weaving was?? not alot of ppl talk about his quick defense skills

[supaduck]

Yeah, too bad he didn't have a true warriors heart.

[Brassangel]

Holy buckets this thread got out of hand quickly!

First of all, Lewis would be a difficult matchup for Tyson...when he was 36 years old. That was the case in that fight and almost everybody knows that. Heck, Mike even put up an impressive rounds 1 and 2. Had he the quickness, the reflexes, and the ability to take away a fighters reach advantage like he had in the late eighties, he would have gotten to Lewis. It wouldn't have been fast, probably round 5 or so, but it still would have happened. Lewis's greatest advantage was the fact that he was an absolute giant among men, and Tyson was a dwarf. Even so, he overcame that obstacle through the highest part of his career over and over again.

Secondly, Liston wasn't that slow, as some people are suggesting. He was slower than Tyson, however, and his object usually wasn't to keep people outside of himself. To suggest, Butterfly, that Liston would just use his reach to keep Tyson away is obviously a sign of weakness in your study. Sonny Liston would likely take the challenge of facing a bulldog like Tyson, and welcome him in to exchange blows. Sonny Liston was on a short fuse, much like Tyson. Once Mike gets in close, which would be inevitable, his forceful combos would put Liston on the mat at least once. Liston's lack of heart would likely reveal itself again while Tyson stands over him. After all, he was a far more intimidating fighter than Ali; who, by the way, I was giving credit to by describing Liston's 1st round KO at his hands. Liston's people and Ali's people were all caught off guard by that punch. If Sonny didn't want to get up, that's his own fault. If it did go in the way that others believe, where Liston would use his reach (even though reach seemed to be irrelevant against a focused Tyson), then Liston would likely put Tyson down first. Either way, both would have to figure something out, and both would get beat up. Bruises and cuts aplenty!

When Mike Tyson was knocked out during his career, it happened after taking consecutive rounds of beatings and clean shots that would have floored any professional fighter. Against Holyfield he was still standing after taking a 7-punch combo that landed cleanly. The referee stopped the fight, and Tyson kept staring straight at Evander without a hint of dizzyness in his eyes. Mike had a tough chin, but he didn't have much heart in the second chapter of his career. Evander even said he could tell Mike Tyson didn't perform like Mike Tyson in either fight. He said, "When the bell rang, I expected him to come at me like he did against everyone else; ferocious, swinging, attacking, much like Dempsey. When he just stood there in front of me with his gloves up, I shot a few jabs to figure him out and he basically stood still. He didn't move much, or bob and weave, and I could tell this wasn't the same Mike. I was disappointed, as I was hoping to give the crowd a battle. In the second fight, it started a little more promising, until he got disqualified..." Holyfield was a 16:1 underdog in that fight, by the way. When a fighter is a 16:1 favorite over another future hall of famer, that proves that he wasn't garbage. While it's true that he did throw his career away when he was given golden opportunities to be the best, he was still a formidable champion.

I'm not a Tyson-hugger, but to those who think he was worthless: you are even worse than the huggers. To say he didn't fight anybody is to say that no professional is worth his salt unless he ends up in the hall of fame, or he fought in the 60's and 70's. Go tell amateurs who are trying to turn professional that they are nothing unless their name is big. I'm sure you'll get a positive reaction out of them. There weren't many big names because the pool was tremendous in the 80's. The fighters were bigger on average, stronger on average, quicker on average, and more fit on average. It had become the Big 10 of boxing, where every fighter had a chance at taking out the other, therefore rendering domination almost impossible. Tyson just happened to reel off 37 straight against them, and 50 wins in his career, which I guess, makes him a bum. It would have been tough for any of the greats to survive in a ring full of superb athletes as opposed to a field full of names. You have to research this for yourselves, but look at what happened to boxing after Ali lost to Spinks in 78. The ratings dropped massively, and boxing was no longer the biggest stage in sports. Even when Ali won the rematch, people didn't care. Ali was a travelling circus by that time, and the up and comers had a tough act to follow. People weren't keeping track of the new crop of fighters during the 80's, because boxing was starting to become rediculous with multiple federations, and guys like Don King ruining the sport front to back. Mike Tyson was literally a saviour to boxing; who brought it back to the forefront of sports.

This just goes to show how (sometimes) underrated Tyson is at times, as he was the only one to emerge as something truly special during that era. Mike Tyson was on the verge of absolute greatness. Unfortunately for him and for his fans, the highest point of his rollercoaster stopped just before the flag could be pulled. Now, the sport is being overlooked right now. That doesn't mean that the fighters are garbage now, they just aren't huge names like everyone is used to seeing. Boxing encounters these lapses every so often, but rest assured, it will come back again when another Tyson, Ali, Roy Jones Jr., etc., who are exciting emerge from a field of athletes.

[Brassangel]

Oh yeah, and this isn't Frazier vs. Foreman. It's not similar in any way. Let's try to avoid using this [horrible] analogy from now on and stick to Tyson vs. Liston if we want this thread to remain worth while.