Who Would get Knocked Down First if prime liston vs prime tyson...........

[Yogi]

Neither has Tyson.

Liston gets the first knockdown and wins this fight via KO.

Tyson never faced an opponent close to Listons skills in his so-called prime. Liston on the other hand beat, guess who, Floyd Patterson twice via 1st round KO.

Now we all know that Cus D'Amato perfected his style in Tyson and Patterson. Tyson was faster though and had more power (though his power is overrated) in both hands.

Stylewise Mike Tyson would have a hard time against Liston as Sonny possesed a good, strong jab and was strong enough to hold Tyson if he came to close. As usual Tyson would face a reach and height disadvantage. Liston was more than the unskilled brawler as which he's often presented today. He was fundamentaly sound and had an above average defense by his areas high standards.

Personally I don't believe that Tyson himself would be convinced that he could actually win this fight. Much like why he never wanted a piece of Foreman. There's no way he would intimidate Liston. I'd be the other way round actually.

Prime Tyson loses to a stronger, bigger Liston via 7th round KO. He has his moments before this due to his handspeed and angle-hitting. Ulitmately Liston walks him down and wins the fight with a devastating right that sents a frustrated and beaten Tyson to the canvas.

Good post, Dude.

And you are SO correct in stating that Liston was more than what he is portrayed today (the "unskilled brawler"), and if someone was to watch Liston's fights with the likes of Whitehurst & the two vs. Williams, they should be able to see that Sonny was plenty capable of out-boxing off the back foot from behind that heavy, somewhat quick & very accurate jab of his...as well as putting on the pressure from behind the jab. At his best, he was FAR from the one-dimensional brawler that showed up in the Ali fight(s), as he showed quality defensive skills (slipping, blocking, etc.) in a few of his earlier fights, fairly quick hands (left hooks & jabs, especially), an excellant chin, and a general "all-around" abillity as a Heavyweight. And yes, he even showed heart in some of the earlier fights of his...There was the one against Marty Marshall, when he fought the vast majority of the fight with a broken jaw. There was also the video evidence of his fights with Cleveland Williams, who stunned Liston on a couple of occasions, only to see Sonny immediately come back at Williams with a fire burning in his ass, and finishing off his opponent shortly thereafter.

Liston vs. Tyson?

Yep, stylewise this is a bad matchup for Iron Mike. He'd be playing the role of aggressor in this fight against somebody who successfully & easily dealt with that peek-a-boo style of his. He'd also find himself having tremendous trouble getting past Liston's frequent left jabs, which would again cause Tyson to look for a one-punch KO, while abandoning most of his head movement...similiar to what he showed in such fights as vs. Tillis (last half), Ribalta (especially!), and Douglas. And if he does get inside on occasion, Liston showed he was plenty strong enough to tie Tyson up in there (Liston was exceptionally strong, and often stopped rushes from fighters looking to come inside on him by simply bringing up his left hand), considering fighters physically weaker than Liston had success doing that against Mike.

[Tha Greatest]

Mike Tyson=Most overrated HW of all time, looked like pure garbage against Holmes and Tillis...

Lennox Lewis-2nd most overrated HW IMO...

Back to subject:Liston by TKO..

[butterfly1964]

Good post, Dude.

And you are SO correct in stating that Liston was more than what he is portrayed today (the "unskilled brawler"), and if someone was to watch Liston's fights with the likes of Whitehurst & the two vs. Williams, they should be able to see that Sonny was plenty capable of out-boxing off the back foot from behind that heavy, somewhat quick & very accurate jab of his...as well as putting on the pressure from behind the jab. At his best, he was FAR from the one-dimensional brawler that showed up in the Ali fight(s), as he showed quality defensive skills (slipping, blocking, etc.) in a few of his earlier fights, fairly quick hands (left hooks & jabs, especially), an excellant chin, and a general "all-around" abillity as a Heavyweight. And yes, he even showed heart in some of the earlier fights of his...There was the one against Marty Marshall, when he fought the vast majority of the fight with a broken jaw. There was also the video evidence of his fights with Cleveland Williams, who stunned Liston on a couple of occasions, only to see Sonny immediately come back at Williams with a fire burning in his ass, and finishing off his opponent shortly thereafter.

Liston vs. Tyson?

Yep, stylewise this is a bad matchup for Iron Mike. He'd be playing the role of aggressor in this fight against somebody who successfully & easily dealt with that peek-a-boo style of his. He'd also find himself having tremendous trouble getting past Liston's frequent left jabs, which would again cause Tyson to look for a one-punch KO, while abandoning most of his head movement...similiar to what he showed in such fights as vs. Tillis (last half), Ribalta (especially!), and Douglas. And if he does get inside on occasion, Liston showed he was plenty strong enough to tie Tyson up in there (Liston was exceptionally strong, and often stopped rushes from fighters looking to come inside on him by simply bringing up his left hand), considering fighters physically weaker than Liston had success doing that against Mike.

thank you. at least some people see the obvious that tyson is tailor made for liston.

[Verstyle]

yeah, liston has slow hands, give me a break. have you ever seen liston fight? patterson is quick, similar to tyson's speed and movement, and liston destroyed him twice in the first. now he couldn't do that if he didn't have quick hands. also liston rocked cassius clay in the third and clay (ali) moves faster than any hw in history, now if liston had slow hands then he just couldn't do that.

I dont think patterson was in his prime then. and ne 1 can still punch and hit ppl u make it seem like ali is this man
u do hype him like he's some super natural guy or something ahaha.

[butterfly1964]

I dont think patterson was in his prime then. and ne 1 can still punch and hit ppl u make it seem like ali is this man
u do hype him like he's some super natural guy or something ahaha.

patterson was 27, still in his prime when he fought liston.

[Verstyle]

patterson was 27, still in his prime when he fought liston.

first or second time?? cause the first time it seemed like he lost confidence. and I know they fought again right after that

[butterfly1964]

first or second time?? cause the first time it seemed like he lost confidence. and I know they fought again right after that

the first time he was 27. the second time he was 28.

[butterfly1964]

I dont think patterson was in his prime then. and ne 1 can still punch and hit ppl u make it seem like ali is this man
u do hype him like he's some super natural guy or something ahaha.

he's the closest thing to that in boxing!

[Brassangel]

Well, you can think it's BS, Butterfly, but you will always think that when someone does something that usurps a number put up by Muhammad Ali. For your information, it was when Roy Jones Jr. got up to heavyweight that this test was performed, just to check and see if he still had hand speed. He was in his 30's and the ratio of punches per count was quicker than Ali when he was in his 20's. This is tested, not opinion. So choosing to think it's BS is a case of continued ignorance, which by dictionary definition is ******ity.

Both sides of the pendulum have been clearly stated here for Tyson and for Liston, only further cementing my argument that this would be a clash of the ages. Style differences aside, anything is still possible in the ring. This is not Frazier vs. Foreman, or Patterson vs. Liston, or Lewis vs. Tyson; this is Liston vs. Tyson and who would get knocked down first.

Furthermore, stating that Tyson is overrated is circular reasoning. Who sets the standard for rating, first of all? And at what point are the persons in question overshooting said rating? The only way he's "overrated" in the nonsensical form (which is what you are suggesting), would be by the people who actually believe Tyson is the best ever, when in fact we have nothing more here than a sad, sad story.

[supaduck]

Tyson was a balls up. That's his own fault. Though this topic is really quite over.