Prime Sonny Liston vs Prime Lennox Lewis

[Willow The Wisp]

Do advocates of the other martial arts consider their art to still be in development, e.g. karate, or has the art been consistently maintained?

Not trying to make a point, I'm actually asking the question. Do you know?

In regards to your question, . . . usually kids ignore the sign and throw food into the cages anyway.

It's a good question that tangentially attaches to what the thread has moved, to, and with humility I am certain that I can speak to it. Among my areas of personal interest are not only Boxing, but the broader spectrum of Hand to hand combat, Martial arts, Grappling, etc. I think the brief answer is still highly conditional. For all but the very newest martial arts, you will find avid traditionalists, who beleive that their art was fully formed many generations ago. You will also find aficionados espousing the Jack Dempsey > Bruce Lee > Gracie clan concepts of eclecticism (Take what is useful). But between Master adhered martial arts and fight sports, there is an ENORMOUS difference in developmental pace, because rather than the goal of proficiency being measured by replication of the Masters/schools techniques, in all combat sports the goal is to live inside the rules and do WHATEVER WORKS to WIN. Boxing has been practiced this way for centuries. Even before equipment updates and duration rounds or breaks. It reached full stylistical
maturity a very, very long time ago.
I have hung around the sport's foremost historian experts for decades talking shop, and there are few things in life that I am more sure of than that!
Some halfwit thinking he sees something better watching YouTube??? Well, maybe....but don't take too long about it cuz' those toilets aren't gonna clean themselves.

[QueensburyRules]

I respect Lennox Lewis 100%. A truly GREAT champion in any era and certainly one of the very best of the post Ali era dreadnought sized champions!!!! Who could deny it?
But Liston???? Liston would struggle with or lose to a few guys in the historical standings, who Lewis would overcome. That's how it is when splitting the hairs at the top. But stylistically, Sonny Liston becomes KRIPTONITE for the tall, angular, broad shouldered Brit. He survives what Lewis can dish out and clips him, eventually.
What McCall and Rahmann can clip........

And those posters who think that boxing science is STILL in a state of continued development.......it's none of my business, but how do you manage to obtain food every day?

- - From the outside looking in, seems to me Sonny and Lewie have competing inferiority complexes they're compensating for.

Physical talents off shelf. Mentally shy personalities in the ring when challenged.

[mrbig1]

It's a good question that tangentially attaches to what the thread has moved, to, and with humility I am certain that I can speak to it. Among my areas of personal interest are not only Boxing, but the broader spectrum of Hand to hand combat, Martial arts, Grappling, etc. I think the brief answer is still highly conditional. For all but the very newest martial arts, you will find avid traditionalists, who beleive that their art was fully formed many generations ago. You will also find aficionados espousing the Jack Dempsey > Bruce Lee > Gracie clan concepts of eclecticism (Take what is useful). But between Master adhered martial arts and fight sports, there is an ENORMOUS difference in developmental pace, because rather than the goal of proficiency being measured by replication of the Masters/schools techniques, in all combat sports the goal is to live inside the rules and do WHATEVER WORKS to WIN. Boxing has been practiced this way for centuries. Even before equipment updates and duration rounds or breaks. It reached full stylistical
maturity a very, very long time ago.
I have hung around the sport's foremost historian experts for decades talking shop, and there are few things in life that I am more sure of than that!
Some halfwit thinking he sees something better watching YouTube??? Well, maybe....but don't take too long about it cuz' those toilets aren't gonna clean themselves.

Very good sir. Boxing is an art when done right. when I was boxing in the Army, I had two trainers who knew boxing inside and out. The VCR was new back then. He had fights on VHS tapes. They would show us films of their favorite fighters. Charles, Walcott, Monzon and a still young Duran. They would point out things they were doing. Things that the untrain eye would miss. You never go Straight back after throwing a punch. Unless you have the skill of a Ali or Monzon. They had a left hook waiting for the guy to walk into. Duran who would roll and counter. He would work the right side of your head and body then roll to his left and do this same on the left side. Very skilled champions. So, when I read that Louis Ali or Duran are overrated, I really have to question their knowledge. Love to all.

[Ascended]

Fiction son who was advanced beats lennox easy
real son on video who was slow easy to read and basic would be destroyed

[Willie Pep 229]

Fiction son who was advanced beats lennox easy
real son on video who was slow easy to read and basic would be destroyed

Come on say something new!

[Willie Pep 229]

Fiction son who was advanced beats lennox easy no video of this version exist only crazy idiots thinks he has video same as louis

real son on video was slow easy to read and basic would be destroyed

Please just once say something different. I'm starting to think maybe you're a bot; just another Microsoft failed attemp at AI.

[The Old LefHook]

1st round son was way to slow and easy to read didnt son get koed by Ali they say it was fake even if he did fake it that meant he knew gave up cause he knew ali was to much

Lennox is more advanced then ali and hit way harder if lennox hits son it won't be no faking lennox would be koed and it would be fast

Lennox would destroy him easy like all these people who said son a man who never would land are idiots that man is not impressive at all slow basic easy to read whats Impressive about that

Junebug, it is "way too much." There are three fraternal twins: to, too and two. Learn them.

[The Old LefHook]

Why do you bother to post any longer - you have said the exact same thing every single time - Literally the same argument. Do you have any actual knowledge about this game at all?

"Slow" - "Advanced" - "Angles"

Here's the challenge - can you write a single argument without repeating for the umpteen time these three words? I don't think you can, I think you actually have no clue about the fight game's history.

I can understand a troll, it can be fun. But you are either the worst troll I have encountered or as dumb about boxing as a Tucker Carlson viewer is about America.

I see. A Tucker Carlson viewer is dumb, but you are smart because you see right through him. Is that about it?

[Willie Pep 229]

I see. A Tucker Carlson viewer is dumb, but you are smart because you see right through him. Is that about it?

Hey in the next quote I bashed the WOKEs, did you notice that?

Yes, I do think that. He is Reverend Hale redux; before this is over he will hurt many with the hate he spews. Wait, watch, more pain is coming to America.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo

BtW My pet name for him is 'chicken little' - tune in any night and he'll be yelling that the sky is falling, yet again.

Yes I believe he is the bottom of a barrel full of rotten apples.

So, yea I guess THAT IS ABOUT IT.

P.S. I can't believe you watch that tripe. I don't watch Ellen for christ's sake, why do you watch that hateful clown in white face?

[Willie Pep 229]

I see. A Tucker Carlson viewer is dumb, but you are smart because you see right through him. Is that about it?

Know what, you pissed me off so much take this too . . .

You guys could have easily beaten Hillary with either Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush. But instead y'all decided to put us through this chaos instead.

Trump's election wasn't a revoultion it was a psuedo-secession, and it ain't over yet by a long shot.

Damn sesash!