Least Skilled ATG?

[SBleeder]

What EXACTLY are we disagreeing on?

You brought Gatti and Mayorga into this thread... to even suggest that they're possibly ATGs is ludicrous.

[Mintcar923]

Well, if you actually read what I wrote I didn't label either one an ATG. I was just wondering being that they were popular some years ago that some may think they were...

[MotorCityJaguar]

Rocky Marciano underrated defense highlight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b0yHvw-vW0

[The Smash]

Felix Tito Trinidad, anyone?

[Mintcar923]

Rocky Marciano underrated defense highlight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b0yHvw-vW0

I'm not sure why but I get the feeling it's not as "hip" to like Marciano as much as Louis, Ali or even Holmes. I get the hunch even if he went further and beat the Patterson's/Liston's that'd still be the case. Screw that! I'm still keeping him as my #1 heavy...

[New England]

Felix Tito Trinidad, anyone?

he was as gifted a puncher as you're likely to see, and he had very good offensive craft.

the idea that he was a one trick pony stemmed mostly from how damn lethal his left hook was. in combinations, or at the right distance, he had a good right hand. he could throw is as an uppercut, or as a straight right hand if it was a single shot. if he caught you at the end of it your head was going to shoot back from the power, if it didn't drop you.

[Capaedia]

I'm not sure why but I get the feeling it's not as "hip" to like Marciano as much as Louis, Ali or even Holmes.

There are plenty of Marciano fans. They just realise his limitations.

I get the hunch even if he went further and beat the Patterson's/Liston's that'd still be the case.

What do you base this on? Liston would be, by far and away, the best win on his resume.

Patterson a distant but comfortable second.

[fight_professor]

Marciano took up boxing late and was crude as hell. It has to be him.

[Mintcar923]

There are plenty of Marciano fans. They just realise his limitations.



What do you base this on? Liston would be, by far and away, the best win on his resume.

Patterson a distant but comfortable second.

Here we go again! Its just a feeling I get. Even if he went on a few more years and he did defeat a Patterson and a Liston I'm sure they'd be downplayed. Again, it's just a hunch. Why? Because his skills were underrated and only appear to be crude. But, if you watch him closely as in the film above you could see they are not. It was very wise for him to fight out of a crouch as he realized he'd have the most success that way. The man was short so as far as his height/reach he had limitations a la Tyson and Frazier.

[Barn]

Here we go again! Its just a feeling I get. Even if he went on a few more years and he did defeat a Patterson and a Liston I'm sure they'd be downplayed. Again, it's just a hunch. Why? Because his skills were underrated and only appear to be crude. But, if you watch him closely as in the film above you could see they are not. It was very wise for him to fight out of a crouch as he realized he'd have the most success that way. The man was short so as far as his height/reach he had limitations a la Tyson and Frazier.

Marciano is not under-rated nor are his wins "downplayed".

He has a decent resume, poor longevity and terrific although short dominance of an average heavyweight era.

Ali has a great resume, terrific dominance, amazing longevity.

Louis has a decent resume, GOAT dominance and longevity.

I don't see how it needs to be made any more complicated than that.

If I'm honest if people do under-rate Marciano it's because they are fed up of people like yourself who rank him the best heavyweight who ever lived.