Why do so many of you hate on muhammad ali?

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Frazier doesn't have greater strength did he? And if you believe he had greater physical strength it confirms my suspiscions of you being another very slanted viewer of boxing. Ali is going to throw faster and thus land before Frazier does, with bare knuckles. Unlike in the ring Ali doesn't hold back, he lands first and hard. Frazier stumbles back and Ali lands flurries to his head... the streetfight finishes <--- can you argue logically against this?

wow my words suck today
sorry for using the wrong word
i'm not sure who's physically stronger but its obvious you think ali so i'll go with it

and

i didn't mean physical strength as much as punching power and i do know the difference, bare knuckled or not its quite obvious who would win in a street fight, the boxer or the boxer/brawler

Frazier's Hardest punch bareknuckled > Ali's hardest punch bareknuckled

how can you argue that?

[Heckler]

Frazier would kill Ali on the streets. Period.

I have no problems with this view at all, unless its because you buy into 'tough guy' stereotypes. Boxing translates into streetfighting ability very well and saying Frazier would 'kill' ali is ridiculous.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

I dont think you quite understand the politics of the day, if Ali went to Vietnam he would be accused of backtracking on his views. It would imply support.

well i'm just saying that they never make celberties fight as much
they would have done with ali what they did with Joe Louis Jack Dempsey etc

[Heckler]

wow my words suck today
sorry for using the wrong word
i'm not sure who's physically stronger but its obvious you think ali so i'll go with it

and

i didn't mean physical strength as much as punching power and i do know the difference, bare knuckled or not its quite obvious who would win in a street fight, the boxer or the boxer/brawler

Frazier's Hardest punch bareknuckled > Ali's hardest punch bareknuckled

how can you argue that?

I can't argue with that at all, but i can argue the fact that Ali with his greater reach can control the range and with greater handspeed can hit Joe a couple of times before Joe lands a left hook. And i can argue that an Ali flurry=Frazier left hook.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Joe Frazier was good at getting inside so it'd be good and i'm not sure one of his flurries = frazier's left hook but it could

[Heckler]

Im not saying Ali would beat Frazier in a streetfight. Im merely pointing out how people hold these views because of stereotypes, not because of logical reasoning. And who cares, 'fight in the ring like a man, not in the streets like an animal'

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Im not saying Ali would beat Frazier in a streetfight. Im merely pointing out how people hold these views because of stereotypes, not because of logical reasoning. And who cares, 'fight in the ring like a man, not in the streets like an animal'

i'd just like to point out that Ali's the one that went there yelling stuff trying to prevoke a fight

thats why i said i don't understand what he was thinking because Joe Frazier would kill him in the stredts

[Heckler]

thats why i said i don't understand what he was thinking because Joe Frazier would kill him in the stredts

Yes and that was obviously a result of stereotyping not logical reasoning. They are both 200+ pound men throwing bombs with bareknuckles, the first one to land a semi decent punch is probably going to win... EITHER could win that fight.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Frazier doesn't have greater strength did he? And if you believe he had greater physical strength it confirms my suspiscions of you being another very slanted viewer of boxing. Ali is going to throw faster and thus land before Frazier does, with bare knuckles. Unlike in the ring Ali doesn't hold back, he lands first and hard. Frazier stumbles back and Ali lands flurries to his head... the streetfight finishes <--- can you argue logically against this?

Are you seriously trying to argue that Ali would beat Frazier in a street fight? Ali himself admitted that he wouldn't fare well in a street fight, against anybody. Any brawler like Tyson, Liston, Frazier, etc would have killed him. Remember, this is a street fight, so Frazier would be throwing elbows and headbutts. Ali would get destroyed.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Are you seriously trying to argue that Ali would beat Frazier in a street fight? Ali himself admitted that he wouldn't fare well in a street fight, against anybody. Any brawler like Tyson, Liston, Frazier, etc would have killed him. Remember, this is a street fight, so Frazier would be throwing elbows and headbutts. Ali would get destroyed.

i agree

Ali didn't have many knock outs many were decisions and TKO's and those don't exist on the street