Why do so many of you hate on muhammad ali?

[Da Iceman]

he thought they were friends and he antagonized him.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

ya know what got me? not to hate him but i just thought it was wierd like how he went to joe fraziers training hq because in a street fight Joe frazier would rip ali apart

Just wierd

[Kid Achilles]

Ali just figured Joe would never really lay a hand on him. Obviously Frazier kills Ali on the street.

[Heckler]

Ali just figured Joe would never really lay a hand on him. Obviously Frazier kills Ali on the street.

I disagree. People would assume Frazier kills Ali on the street because of stereotypes. Ali the 'dancing fairy' and frazier the tough slugger. Both are going to stand and trade as hard as they can, Ali with greater reach, speed and with bareknuckles. I don't think theres any basis to say that 'Frazier would obviously kill ali'. Ali can throw hard, fast flurries in the ring. And he did it to save his arse against Lyle, he did it against Frazier in the 9th round of FOTC. IF he did that with bareknuckles he would inflict huge damage. Not only is Ali faster, he is obviously the physically stronger of the two. So again what is the basis apart from ridiculous stereotypes? I dont expect a reasonable answer from marciano who believes Lee would beat Ali in a ring let alone the street.

[BKM-]

I disagree. People would assume Frazier kills Ali on the street because of stereotypes. Ali the 'dancing fairy' and frazier the tough slugger. Both are going to stand and trade as hard as they can, Ali with greater reach, speed and with bareknuckles. I don't think theres any basis to say that 'Frazier would obviously kill ali'. Ali can throw hard, fast flurries in the ring. And he did it to save his arse against Lyle, he did it against Frazier in the 9th round of FOTC. IF he did that with bareknuckles he would inflict huge damage. Not only is Ali faster, he is obviously the physically stronger of the two. So again what is the basis apart from ridiculous stereotypes? I dont expect a reasonable answer from marciano who believes Lee would beat Ali in a ring let alone the street.

Frazier would kill Ali on the streets. Period.

[Heckler]

Why do so many people hate ali?
hm i know many reasons. I personally don't hate the guy completely, he was brilliant in the ring at times, alot of its what he did out of the ring. Well here's some good examples, The guy was loud and flashy, ****y sometimes arrogant, some people like that some don't. The guy called himself the greatest, how much more ****y can you get. Here's an example, I saw the trailer for the super fight (don't turn this into Marciano v Ali PLEASE) and they were asking them what they thought of each other, and Marciano said "Well i never knocked opponent before a fight and well i'm not gunna start now, Ali is good and it should be an interesting fight"
Ali said "Marciano's a good fighter but he's slow and swarms at times, now there's now human being alive that can catch me with slow arms etc"---something along the lines of that.
so he was ****y for one

two, guy from what i understand cheated on his wife.
three and most hated for- he refused induction into the army. Now i know vietnam was a controversial war etc. I don't really care that much, but the point is he wasn't fighting the vietkong he would have gone over and done exhibition bouts to raise morale in the troops. Many people believed he changed his religion to not have to participate in the war. now look at what he changed it too, Islam (if i'm correct), that was a very hated religion.

whether he did or he didn't not go into the army because of his religion it doesn't matter really. In a sense you could say it helped him, because i do firmly believe that the way he was in 1967, he wouldn't have been able to beat, George Foreman,Earnie Shavers,Maybe even Joe Frazier. so in a way it helped him in a way it didn't.

I remember hearing in 1960 something he was rated the most hated fighter but in the 70's he was loved so, whatever the reason he was brilliant in the ring, personally i wouldn't say the greatest but top10 at the very least

You 'Firmly' think a 67 Ali wouldn't beat even Shavers? my lord, i think you need to do a bit more watching and analyzing because you obviously haven't done enough. You do realise Ali was a ****** some time before Vietnam became a major issue right? and by going to Vietnam it would show that he SUPPORTED it which he didn't?

[RockyMarcianofan00]

I disagree. People would assume Frazier kills Ali on the street because of stereotypes. Ali the 'dancing fairy' and frazier the tough slugger. Both are going to stand and trade as hard as they can, Ali with greater reach, speed and with bareknuckles. I don't think theres any basis to say that 'Frazier would obviously kill ali'. Ali can throw hard, fast flurries in the ring. And he did it to save his arse against Lyle, he did it against Frazier in the 9th round of FOTC. IF he did that with bareknuckles he would inflict huge damage. Not only is Ali faster, he is obviously the physically stronger of the two. So again what is the basis apart from ridiculous stereotypes? I dont expect a reasonable answer from marciano who believes Lee would beat Ali in a ring let alone the street.

wtf
ok they stand there and trade blows and Frazier with the greater strength destroys ali on the streets as he would a few weeks later in the ring (though i'm not sure you'd say he destroyed him in the ring)

[RockyMarcianofan00]

You 'Firmly' think a 67 Ali wouldn't beat even Shavers? my lord, i think you need to do a bit more watching and analyzing because you obviously haven't done enough. You do realise Ali was a ****** some time before Vietnam became a major issue right? and by going to Vietnam it would show that he SUPPORTED it which he didn't?

not so much shavers more Foreman

Vietnam was big conflict since had started ppl were prtesting it

and i'm not talking supporting the war
see there's a difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops

Supporting the war is saying we're over there for a good reason

supporting the troops would be going over there and fighting exhibition matches to make the troops (most who don't want to be there either) forget the war for a moment and enjoy things they would at home

[Heckler]

Frazier doesn't have greater strength did he? And if you believe he had greater physical strength it confirms my suspiscions of you being another very slanted viewer of boxing. Ali is going to throw faster and thus land before Frazier does, with bare knuckles. Unlike in the ring Ali doesn't hold back, he lands first and hard. Frazier stumbles back and Ali lands flurries to his head... the streetfight finishes <--- can you argue logically against this?

[Heckler]

not so much shavers more Foreman

Vietnam was big conflict since had started ppl were prtesting it

and i'm not talking supporting the war
see there's a difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops

Supporting the war is saying we're over there for a good reason

supporting the troops would be going over there and fighting exhibition matches to make the troops (most who don't want to be there either) forget the war for a moment and enjoy things they would at home

I dont think you quite understand the politics of the day, if Ali went to Vietnam he would be accused of backtracking on his views. It would imply support.