Why do so many of you hate on muhammad ali?

[hellfire508]

I think alot of those who hate Ali are far-right winged nutjobs. They totally oppose and depise his stance on Vietnam, and his being a member of the Nation of Islam, thus cannot take an objective look at his career as a fighter. They will simply put him down, took about all the negatives. Deep down they know he was one of the two greatest heavyweights of all time, but their reputation as a radical right luncatic forces them to oppose one who opposed their glorious Vietnam war.

(Note to those who are right winged - I am too, just not as far right as some of these nutjobs).

[butterfly1964]

I think alot of those who hate Ali are far-right winged nutjobs. They totally oppose and depise his stance on Vietnam, and his being a member of the Nation of Islam, thus cannot take an objective look at his career as a fighter. They will simply put him down, took about all the negatives. Deep down they know he was one of the two greatest heavyweights of all time, but their reputation as a radical right luncatic forces them to oppose one who opposed their glorious Vietnam war.

(Note to those who are right winged - I am too, just not as far right as some of these nutjobs).

yeah, either that or they are joe frazier, floyd patterson, or ernie terrel.

[Heckler]

Frazier would beat him easily in their primes. Ali even said so.

Why do you always bring this up, even though this is contrary to what almost every reputable boxing historian thinks... monte cox: I would favour Ali in a trilogy over the above men. Referring to Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey. Monte Cox is a man that is not slanted and ridiculous like yourself and looks at everything without bias. You hate Ali, and unfortunately you dont have the mental capcity to put this aside when forumlating an opinion on a fight.

Ali said lots of ****? then he went back and contradicted lots of ****. Ive also read interviews where he said he would dominate Frazier in his prime. He 'even said so' after a fight when he was being MODEST as you do after a fight.

Ali's physical gifts would be too much for Frazier, he wouldn't be able pressure Ali to the same extent. The best indication of how this fight would go in their 'primes' was Ali vs Frazier II. Where i think Ali quite clearly won, and Joe was saved from a knockdown in round 2. In FOTC Ali was fighting mere months after his layoff, with only 2 TUNE-UP fights. That was ridiculous and Ali was much to eager to fight. Ali should of taken a whole year minimum to prepare for Frazier and had 4-5 tuneups. It would never be a PUSHOVER, but Ali would win however leave the ring that night battered and bruised.

[Heckler]

I don't hate Ali, but to this day I'm still trying to figure out why Ali so blatantly ducked Duane Bobick in the spring of '77.

Yogi you are obsessed with Bobick aren't you? Ive never believed that, why would the man that fought Frazier 3 times, Foreman, and later went on to fight HOLMES duck BOBICK OF ALL PEOPLE... i would say it had something to do with management, because it does not make sense at all. I googled Ali ducking bobick, not much come up.. which indicates to me its nothing more then another obscure unproved theory that lingers in the boxing world.

[butterfly1964]

Why do you always bring this up, even though this is contrary to what almost every reputable boxing historian thinks... monte cox: I would favour Ali in a trilogy over the above men. Referring to Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey. Monte Cox is a man that is not slanted and ridiculous like yourself and looks at everything without bias. You hate Ali, and unfortunately you dont have the mental capcity to put this aside when forumlating an opinion on a fight.

Ali said lots of ****? then he went back and contradicted lots of ****. Ive also read interviews where he said he would dominate Frazier in his prime. He 'even said so' after a fight when he was being MODEST as you do after a fight.

Ali's physical gifts would be too much for Frazier, he wouldn't be able pressure Ali to the same extent. The best indication of how this fight would go in their 'primes' was Ali vs Frazier II. Where i think Ali quite clearly won, and Joe was saved from a knockdown in round 2. In FOTC Ali was fighting mere months after his layoff, with only 2 TUNE-UP fights. That was ridiculous and Ali was much to eager to fight. Ali should of taken a whole year minimum to prepare for Frazier and had 4-5 tuneups. It would never be a PUSHOVER, but Ali would win however leave the ring that night battered and bruised.

great post, my man.

[Yogi]

Yogi you are obsessed with Bobick aren't you? Ive never believed that, why would the man that fought Frazier 3 times, Foreman, and later went on to fight HOLMES duck BOBICK OF ALL PEOPLE... i would say it had something to do with management, because it does not make sense at all. I googled Ali ducking bobick, not much come up.. which indicates to me its nothing more then another obscure unproved theory that lingers in the boxing world.

How old was that post of mine, Heckler...four months or so?

I've already explained that situation to Butterfly in the past and instead of your guesswork, theories, wishful thinking, or whatever else, try reading Teddy Brenner's "Only The Ring Was Square" for your answers to the question on why Ali ducked out of the signed fight with Bobick (who was 38-0 at the time and the talk of the Heavyweight scene...hindsight is different). In that book you'll find the words of the MSG president/matchmaker at the time as I'm sure you know, and seeing as how he was right smack in the middle of that whole Ali/Bobick situation, his own words must be quite valid on the subject.

Books >>>>> Google

[butterfly1964]

How old was that post of mine, Heckler...four months or so?

I've already explained that situation to Butterfly in the past and instead of your guesswork, theories, wishful thinking, or whatever else, try reading Teddy Brenner's "Only The Ring Was Square" for your answers to the question on why Ali ducked out of the signed fight with Bobick (who was 38-0 at the time and the talk of the Heavyweight scene...hindsight is different). In that book you'll find the words of the MSG president/matchmaker at the time as I'm sure you know, and seeing as how he was right smack in the middle of that whole Ali/Bobick situation, his own words must be quite valid on the subject.

Books >>>>> Google

maybe cause ali showed signs of parkinsons, so he wanted to take it easy.

[leff]

saying who would win between ali and frazier is hard.

frazier prime was about 70 but alis`s was a couple off years earlier

[Heckler]

I didn't say Frazier would kill Ali. I'm saying Frazier would beat him the majority of the time in prime matchups. It's not out of anger, it's out of skills and styles.



Ali had no class. He would disrespect his black opponents on a regular basis. Badly. He treated them so bad, that some hated him for years. He was a womanizer. He contradicted himself all the time. He didn't even have a clue what he was standing up for. ******s would just feed him lines like "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong". He picked up his whole persona from a ****ing wrestler he watched as a kid.



He didn't really struggle. Ali went all out in the first few rounds, trying to put away Frazier early. But Frazier connected with hooks on a regular basis. The only good laters rounds that Ali had were 9 and 14. Frazier gave him the beating of a lifetime.



No, reasoning has nothing to do with it. You're just mad that I pick against Ali. God forbid.

You have no credibility whatsoever as you're judgement is so clearly clouded by your hate of the man. Too much ghosts of manila for you i think. You are the person that once used the Larry Holmes fight to discredit Ali, and posted that ridiculous article 'Ali was not a great fighter' You're a nut and nothing less.

[Yogi]

You have no credibility whatsoever as you're judgement is so clearly clouded by your hate of the man. Too much ghosts of manila for you i think. You are the person that once used the Larry Holmes fight to discredit Ali, and posted that ridiculous article 'Ali was not a great fighter' You're a nut and nothing less.

Whether he hates him or not, how does his opinion have any less credibilty than those who love & adore Ali, of which we have a few on this forum?