Marciano: alternate legacy

[McGoorty]

Admittedly, yes. But that didn't make him less competitive against the heavyweights of the day and his skills were still undeniable.

I look at it this way....when I judge all time greatness at heavy I don't consider the size differential of fighters as the utmost importance. To me that equals a fantasy h2h match up that can't be proven. But I still consider it relevant when one skilled fighter can carry those tools up and be relevant in the same division and within 10 or 20lbs of another ATG.

I been drinking tonight and I don't think Im conveying what I want to say the way I want to say it, but Im pretty firm on this. I'll try and explain this better when Im in a clearer state of mind.

And they call us Aussies a bunch of drunks..... hee hee.

[McGoorty]

Lol, well Im unable to toke because of sheer ******ation and ******ity. If you get me to do it have a camera ready and you will be guaranteed a youtube hit! Im done with the crown for the night, but Im tipping a brew in your direction! THANK God I have no work tomorrow!!

Is it true that yankee beer is as weak as Aussie blokes reckon,.. You should try an old Northern Territory Stubby mate,... just one of those in yer belly is enough to get the average bloke paraletic rolling drunk, I haven't seen one in decades but they contained about 4 Litres at around 7% alcohol content, The N.T. has a tiny population but they hold many many beer drinking records, but let me tell you, it's one of the hottest places on earth and is a great help to becoming a beer drinking legend,.... I tried to become one myself,... but I was as weak as piss,... Drunk in less than 40 cans,.. I'm a disgrace to my race.... lol.

[McGoorty]

Is it true that yankee beer is as weak as Aussie blokes reckon,.. You should try an old Northern Territory Stubby mate,... just one of those in yer belly is enough to get the average bloke paraletic rolling drunk, I haven't seen one in decades but they contained about 4 Litres at around 7% alcohol content, The N.T. has a tiny population but they hold many many beer drinking records, but let me tell you, it's one of the hottest places on earth and is a great help to becoming a beer drinking legend,.... I tried to become one myself,... but I was as weak as piss,... Drunk in less than 40 cans,.. I'm a disgrace to my race.... lol.

You see a normal "Stubby" means a small stubby bottle in most places but the Northern Territorian thinks a Schooner is just a "shot" glass.. they do things bigger than Texas there.

[JAB5239]

And they call us Aussies a bunch of drunks..... hee hee.

My drinking tolerance is for **** since I quit to get back in shape this summer. I feel like someone hit me in the head with a brick.

[Greatest1942]

The other you have to admit was a blown up lightheavy though........Rockin'

Atleast Marciano beat those guys...I think Holmes go beat by a blown up lightheavy too. How big was Leon Spinks, who beat Ali. How big was Conn who troubled Louis..Tunney was a natural LHW who won 19 out of 20 rounds from Jack Dempsey. Your pointing out Ezzard as a blown up light heavy is a bad try. HE was the HW champ of the world for a period, has multiple defenses to his name and on video looks awesome. By your logic Willis beating Sam Langford counts for nothing.

What is Jack's resume compared to Marciano? Care to argue it out? How good was Liston's resume compared to Rocky ?

The way you are dishing Marciano, I can dish any fighter!!! Any fighter even Ali and Louis.He was never ever beaten. HE beat good heavy weights like Layne, Savold (about whom if you have a bad opinion it doesn't matter, since they were very good contenders). Beat top 30 guys like Walcott or Charles...beat a solid contender In Louis( he was no more the great champ , but still a good fighter), beat a all time great LHW in Moore (which Holmes or Dempsey failed). Was a champ and defended six times. And never ever ducked anyone.

How crude he was is out of the question.( With all your attributes as I said I will pick Charles or Goldman's word over yours or even Dundees so no need to comment). His resume is as good as anyone in the history of boxing. The fact that you argue it out it was not shows your bias or ignorance.

[McGoorty]

My drinking tolerance is for **** since I quit to get back in shape this summer. I feel like someone hit me in the head with a brick.

Oh mate those silly days are long gone for me, I still have the odd beer but that's all.

[Greatest1942]

At Heavyweight Ezzard Charles only managed mild contention. 2 loses against Jersey Joe Walcott, 1 lose by decision the other by ko.

Again this shows your lack of research. Charles won the first two against Walcott..in the third he was KO'd by a punch, no harm in that better people have been knocked out too. In the fourth it was Charles who won the fight. he did well. It was a bad decision by all accounts.

Charles beat a returning Louis (aged and all , still a good win), Elmer Ray, Jimmy Bivins, Satterfield, Joe Baksi, Pat Valentino,Gus Lesnevich,Lee Oma, Rex Layne except Walcott. All good contenders and two great fighters. BIvins was #26 by the ring magazine at heavyweight (because I know your response).

The fact that you have to now belittle Charles career at heavyweight, shows your desperation. Cut it anyway , blown up or any **** like that, Charles was a top 30 guy at heavy. Same as Walcott. And ****ell was not worse than Rahman. And Layne and Savold were very good contenders and would have been so in any era.

How many guys did Liston beat who can be ranked in the top 30 or Dempsey or Tunney or even Tyson.

[GJC]

Again this shows your lack of research. Charles won the first two against Walcott..in the third he was KO'd by a punch, no harm in that better people have been knocked out too. In the fourth it was Charles who won the fight. he did well. It was a bad decision by all accounts.

Charles beat a returning Louis (aged and all , still a good win), Elmer Ray, Jimmy Bivins, Satterfield, Joe Baksi, Pat Valentino,Gus Lesnevich,Lee Oma, Rex Layne except Walcott. All good contenders and two great fighters. BIvins was #26 by the ring magazine at heavyweight (because I know your response).

The fact that you have to now belittle Charles career at heavyweight, shows your desperation. Cut it anyway , blown up or any **** like that, Charles was a top 30 guy at heavy. Same as Walcott. And ****ell was not worse than Rahman. And Layne and Savold were very good contenders and would have been so in any era.

How many guys did Liston beat who can be ranked in the top 30 or Dempsey or Tunney or even Tyson.

Baksi was no dancing master but a rough tough guy who would be a tough fight for any HW, not saying he'll win but a good contender

[Greatest1942]

Baksi was no dancing master but a rough tough guy who would be a tough fight for any HW, not saying he'll win but a good contender

Exactly...look the top contenders in those days were seldom cakewalk, no matter how people try to potray them now...There were many more licensed fighters and these blokes had to fight through a lot even to reach the top.

Very rarely did bad fighters make it that good Baksi, Lee Oma etc were good fighters. Just because people don't know about them does not make them a bum.

[Rockin']

Again this shows your lack of research. Charles won the first two against Walcott..in the third he was KO'd by a punch, no harm in that better people have been knocked out too. In the fourth it was Charles who won the fight. he did well. It was a bad decision by all accounts.

Charles beat a returning Louis (aged and all , still a good win), Elmer Ray, Jimmy Bivins, Satterfield, Joe Baksi, Pat Valentino,Gus Lesnevich,Lee Oma, Rex Layne except Walcott. All good contenders and two great fighters. BIvins was #26 by the ring magazine at heavyweight (because I know your response).

The fact that you have to now belittle Charles career at heavyweight, shows your desperation. Cut it anyway , blown up or any **** like that, Charles was a top 30 guy at heavy. Same as Walcott. And ****ell was not worse than Rahman. And Layne and Savold were very good contenders and would have been so in any era.

How many guys did Liston beat who can be ranked in the top 30 or Dempsey or Tunney or even Tyson.

An old, fat and fighting only because he got screwed by the irs Joe Louis was a good win? Louis was nothing when Marciano beat him except for a recognizable name who was cleared to fight in that mis-match.

And you are mistaken about Charles, while I agree that he was a good fighter at the time he won the first bout against Walcott and lost the next two meetings, the last by ko. Charles was a great fighter but his Heavyweight resume pales in comparison to his lightheavy resume. I respect Charles, Bill Miller always praised Charles for his skill as do I. But he was better still at Light-Heavy.

Don ****ell was a blown up light heavy who was at the end of his rope when he faced Marciano. ****ell was nothing close to what he was as a Light-Heavy when in with the Heavyweights. ****ell didn't start fighting as a heavyweight until he was 33 years old. ****ell was Ko'd by Randy Turpin for the British Light-Heavy title and 2 years later was ko'd in his last 3 bouts by our man Rocky and lost by Ko against Nino Valdez and a guy named Kitione Lave and he was done.

The Louis fight was a farce, ****ell who proved better as a Light-Heavy loses to Marciano at the tail end of his career. Ezzard Charles, ok I'll give you that he was a good heavyweight. Jersey Joe was at the end of his career. Archie Moorer was a nice win but Floyd Patterson was able to stop Moore just a little over a year after Rocky did.
Doesn't sound like it was the Mongoose of old that was in there with Rocky. ..............Rockin'