Marciano: alternate legacy

[Rockin']

Arguments can be made that both Charles and Walcott are top 25 all time at heavy and their skills are undeniable, even at the times they fought Marciano. The same can't be said for Dempsey or Tunney, my man. I respect both you and your opinion, but you're off on this and I can show it by using the same criteria you use for Marciano.

The other you have to admit was a blown up lightheavy though........Rockin'

[JAB5239]

People who fight in the streets really don't want to find somebody else who can fight to fight against. They generally go for the seemingly simple fights. If they did want to fight somebody else who could fight they would have been where Jab and I were fighting those kinds of people who could fight....Rockin'

I appreciate the accolade, but your level of fighting far surpassed mine. I have nothing but pride about who I've worked out and been in the ring with, but my experience simply wasn't on your level. I know exactly what you're saying though. Without trying to demean the knowledge of any poster here, it's very hard to understand just how hard world class fighters train and just how gifted they are unless you've actually trained beside them. Doesn't make our knowledge of history any better, but I think it gives the few who have been there a better understanding. Hope that doesn't come off as pompous.

[JAB5239]

The other you have to admit was a blown up lightheavy though........Rockin'

Admittedly, yes. But that didn't make him less competitive against the heavyweights of the day and his skills were still undeniable.

I look at it this way....when I judge all time greatness at heavy I don't consider the size differential of fighters as the utmost importance. To me that equals a fantasy h2h match up that can't be proven. But I still consider it relevant when one skilled fighter can carry those tools up and be relevant in the same division and within 10 or 20lbs of another ATG.

I been drinking tonight and I don't think Im conveying what I want to say the way I want to say it, but Im pretty firm on this. I'll try and explain this better when Im in a clearer state of mind.

[Rockin']

Admittedly, yes. But that didn't make him less competitive against the heavyweights of the day and his skills were still undeniable.

I look at it this way....when I judge all time greatness at heavy I don't consider the size differential of fighters as the utmost importance. To me that equals a fantasy h2h match up that can't be proven. But I still consider it relevant when one skilled fighter can carry those tools up and be relevant in the same division and within 10 or 20lbs of another ATG.

I been drinking tonight and I don't think Im conveying what I want to say the way I want to say it, but Im pretty firm on this. I'll try and explain this better when Im in a clearer state of mind.

I'm a wee bit medicated myself, cheers........Rockin'

[JAB5239]

I'm a wee bit medicated myself, cheers........Rockin'

Salud champ!!

[Rockin']

Salud champ!!

I haven't been able to drink in years because of medication. But I will be certain to exhale a cloud for you.............Rockin'

[JAB5239]

I haven't been able to drink in years because of medication. But I will be certain to exhale a cloud for you.............Rockin'

Lol, well Im unable to toke because of sheer ******ation and ******ity. If you get me to do it have a camera ready and you will be guaranteed a youtube hit! Im done with the crown for the night, but Im tipping a brew in your direction! THANK God I have no work tomorrow!!

[GJC]

Another alternate legacy for Rocky would be if he had been say born 4 years later and started at 21 instead of 24/25. That might have taken him up 1959 as champ, personally I think he would have seen off the likes of Patterson etc. If he retired in 1959 before running into a prime Liston he might well have been 60 odd and 0 with a solid 7 year reign as champ? Think the stand out top 2 of Louis and Ali might well be a 3?

[Rockin']

Another alternate legacy for Rocky would be if he had been say born 4 years later and started at 21 instead of 24/25. That might have taken him up 1959 as champ, personally I think he would have seen off the likes of Patterson etc. If he retired in 1959 before running into a prime Liston he might well have been 60 odd and 0 with a solid 7 year reign as champ? Think the stand out top 2 of Louis and Ali might well be a 3?

Say Rocky was born later just those few years and Rocky had to fight Liston. Marciano would be seriously injured in this one. Fraizer/ Marciano would of been fireworks and nuclear bombs. But he wasn't born later. What about if Marciano had to fight Quarry. I think that it would be a good fight with Quarry eventually being chopped down by Marcianos body attack.........Rockin'

[McGoorty]

People who fight in the streets really don't want to find somebody else who can fight to fight against. They generally go for the seemingly simple fights. If they did want to fight somebody else who could fight they would have been where Jab and I were fighting those kinds of people who could fight....Rockin'

I did say to forget about that last cheeky little bit. You are absolutely right, and now that you have said that I must clear up something. I got punched in the head my first day in kindergarten and from that day onward until 21, there was always an element that always wanted to bash my head in, my dad was a policeman and we always lived in smallish towns, and I was therefore a target of the criminal types for a long time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So to clear things up, I am no thug, I also learnt that I had no talent for fighting, but damn it what choice was there, I got bashed a lot sometimes by 3 or 4 at once and I learned the true meaning of blind fury, I began to retaliate and on one occasion I beat a prick up real bad and that scared me more than getting bashed, from then on I avoided fights like a plague, I still can't forget the revulsion of seeing that blokes head. Therefore boxing wasn't my idea of fun..... but I have come to love boxing through films like Zale V Graziano III........ I believe every word of what Bob Fitzsimmons say's about boxing, that it is not the preferred sport of thugs, but the braver sort,... I think this is also the true outlook of a genuine Karate or some other eastern Martial philosophies. As I grew up, the guys who did boxing brought great shame upon real boxing,... and I bet you aren't shocked to hear that ALL of those thugs amounted to nothing.... zip,... Most of them are just washed up drunks now,... with no friends..... I hope that wasn't too long winded.