"THE LIST" - list the top ten best boxers of ALL TIME

[IronDanHamza]

How can you base your opinions on other peoples opinions?

If the fight is considered controversial and 9 out of 10 Newspaper articles consider the other fighter won and the majority of the crowd were documented to be booing the decision chances are that it's right.

In terms of converisal decisions, of course.

[McGoorty]

I know a lot of people are going to blast me for my list. . . for putting manny at 10. .. call me a *******, say i dont know **** about boxing, claim i don't even like boxing, etc., etc., etc. . .

But it's just my opinion that Manny belongs somewhere between 10-20 on any all time list. . . I mean, to win world titles in EIGHT WEIGHT CLASSES?! UNHEARD OF!

Also, I expect to get Flack for not having Ali on my list. . . Well, he would be number 11. . . I just think that because he's a heavyweight, the most popular division, causes him to get A LOT more attention than other fighters who did MUCH GREATER THINGS, and had greater abilities. . .

I won't blast you mate,... I would have it a little different in places, I don't agree with Whittaker there but if he's a favourite of yours why not put him,... this list represents your thoughts...... all great names,..... I have Benny, Pep, SRR and Gans there in any I do. I rate Greb, Duran and Armstrong and Paquiao highly but I just don't really know exactly where after my top 4 of SRR, Benny, Pep and Gans........ for the next 6 or 16,... I am trying to squeeze 45 in there..... my maths ain't top-notch.

[SCtrojansbaby]

If the fight is considered controversial and 9 out of 10 Newspaper articles consider the other fighter won and the majority of the crowd were documented to be booing the decision chances are that it's right.

In terms of converisal decisions, of course.

IMO that is a terrible basis for ranking fighters

[IronDanHamza]

IMO that is a terrible basis for ranking fighters

Not sure where in my post I said that's how I rank fighters.

I said that's how a robbery could be indentified without footage. In so many words.

[McGoorty]

1.) Sugar Ray Robinson.
2.) Joe Gans
3.) Henry Armstrong
4.) Roberto Duran
5.) Benny Leonard
6.) Harry Greb
7.) Les Darcy loljk sorry McGoorty. Sugar Ray Leonard
8.) Willie Pep
9.) Joe Louis
10.) Muhammad Ali

Problem with the reasoning for putting Pacquiao in on account of the 8 division championships is that, for example Sugar Ray Robinson, to have achieved that, he would have had to have won every title in boxing.

Titles and divisions are not as meaningful as they used to be, not by a long shot. Especially when you factor in that one of those titles came by catchweight. Seriously what the **** is that?

That's all right buddy, I take it Darcy is at #11......... I'm considering him. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think there is a massive difference in a Greatest list and a Most Talented and/or Best List......... I have Darcy in my top 5 Most-Talented All Time list.

[McGoorty]

That would be blasphemy.

Archie Moore is greater than Manny Pacquaio and there is genuinely no argument.

I would say more around the 35-40 mark.

Not even close to the Top 15.

Be fair but,.... Pacquiao has plenty of time to move way up the list, imagine if he knocks out say Tarver or even the ATG Legend because he beat a legend Danny Green.... Pacquiao could be the man who beat the legend who beat the legend..... BI-LEGENDARY ??

[IronDanHamza]

Be fair but,.... Pacquiao has plenty of time to move way up the list, imagine if he knocks out say Tarver or even the ATG Legend because he beat a legend Danny Green.... Pacquiao could be the man who beat the legend who beat the legend..... BI-LEGENDARY ??

That's a good point!

[McGoorty]

That's a good point!

I like to be serious then end with a joke..... I was actually having a real big stab at the UFC crap when they say the if you beat a legend then you are a legend, even if you beat a guy who has lost 8 out of his last 11 fights by KO or submission...... I cannot believe how many times those tools have said that..... and I love those laughing green faces,,, thanks.

[TAC602]

This is something I don't normally like to do because I inevitably feel compelled to meet the status quo by listing the same usual suspects who fought in the early 20th century and put together resumes that are just flat out impossible to compare to, much in the same way it is for baseball pitchers like Cy Young, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, et al. Just as no modern pitcher could throw 400 innings in a season, no modern fighter is going to have 200+ some odd bouts. It just simply is not happening period, and just as in baseball, remants of that type of stuff died with guys wrapping up their careers around the 1960s.

So yeah, the Greatest fighters are inarguably Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Gans, et al. Langford and Greb a toss up at No. 1, SRR third.

How I really feel about 'best' is more along the lines of Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Jose Napoles, etc. No amount of newspaper clippings, books, documentaries can change how I feel about what my eyes tell me. That isn't an old timer's fault, it's my own bias I can't get over mixed with a smidge of ignorance.

[McGoorty]

This is something I don't normally like to do because I inevitably feel compelled to meet the status quo by listing the same usual suspects who fought in the early 20th century and put together resumes that are just flat out impossible to compare to, much in the same way it is for baseball pitchers like Cy Young, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, et al. Just as no modern pitcher could throw 400 innings in a season, no modern fighter is going to have 200+ some odd bouts. It just simply is not happening period, and just as in baseball, remants of that type of stuff died with guys wrapping up their careers around the 1960s.

So yeah, the Greatest fighters are inarguably Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Gans, et al. Langford and Greb a toss up at No. 1, SRR third.

How I really feel about 'best' is more along the lines of Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Jose Napoles, etc. No amount of newspaper clippings, books, documentaries can change how I feel about what my eyes tell me. That isn't an old timer's fault, it's my own bias I can't get over mixed with a smidge of ignorance.

There is a lot more to it than just looking at a record of names there are many factors people here don't always factor in. There is never a concensus opinion of any list ever made.... I don't know about baseball... But cricket has never seen a player remotely as good as Don Bradman in the 40's...... and he was even better in the 30's..... never been a sportsman to approach his level of genius and total domination.... to this day he is statistically and factually, virtually twice as good as the second best player of all time,,,, there is no consensus on positions #2,.... to 200 but.