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1.Roy
2.Ali
3.Leonard
4.Chavez
5.Monzon
6.Duran
7.Foreman
8.Hopkins
9.McCallum
10.Barrera
1.Roy
2.Ali
3.Leonard
4.Chavez
5.Monzon
6.Duran
7.Foreman
8.Hopkins
9.McCallum
10.Barrera
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I didn't say it was easy. Accomplishing something that wasn't easy is what gets most fighters into the top 100. But I've got plenty of other fighters to give priority over Pacquiao for the top spots. Really at this level a lot of it comes down to opinion as you said
Excuse me while I bash my head on my desk for forgetting to mention him, normally I have Langford at 3rd. Lightweight to competitive with Jack Johnson, beast indeed.
Also, what happened to the picture with Hearns? Once in a lifetime thing that.Comment
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Two things to bear in mind when talking about Pac's success in different divisions in comparison with past fighters. It's much easier to accumulate titles now simply because there are many, many more belts available. In Robinson's era there were eight established divisions each with one champion. Today there are 17 divisions with five belts in each. More champions mean there are also more weaker champions. All Pac has to do is beat a David Diaz and suddenly he's world champion in another division.
The other factor is the different weigh in rules. In Robinson's day you had to weigh in on the day of the fight. Today weigh ins take place up to two days before, which means a boxer can cut down into a smaller division they don't belong in and then rehydrate back to their ideal weight. Look at Williams and Margarito. These guys are fighting as welterweights while weighing 160 in the ring. Pac's ring weight has been around 140-47 ever since his days at super-feather. Could he have fought at 126 or 130 if he had to weigh in at ringside?
That's why I don't mark past fighters down for not winning as many belts as Pac. Under today's conditions Robinson could easily have picked up titles from 130 through 168, if not 175. And who knows how many belts Sam Langford or Mickey Walker would have ended up with. Under past conditions with fewer divisions, fewer titles and same day weigh ins I doubt Pac would have been a champion in eight divisions.Comment
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I just found a great article about Moore and Burley, I will paste a sample of that, here is the link for this great article...http://www.*********.com/garfields/mooreburley.htm ------------------The Apprentice:
Archie Moore vs. Charley Burley
By Greg Smith. EXCERPT ;During the same era, however, other great black fighters like Holman Williams, Charley Burley, Eddie Booker, and Cocoa Kid never got the recognition, or the title shot, they deserved. While Henry Armstrong was the reigning welterweight king, Cocoa Kid defeated Holman Williams for something called “ The Colored Welterweight Title” in 1940 before both fighters developed into middleweights. If Archie Moore didn’t have an unusual aging cycle, his name and career would likely be just a footnote in boxing history.
Archie Moore was one of the most lucid and brilliant practitioners in the history of the sport. If you believe Moore’s contention that he was born in 1913, then he didn’t get a title shot until he was 39-years-old. He spent several years as the #1 contender in the light heavyweight division before he got Maxim in the ring. Like many fighters of his era, he served a long, arduous, and unfair apprenticeship, and admitted that the legacy of Johnson proved problematic for far too many. Here is a verbatim Moore quote made in reference to Johnson: “The man was a disaster to anyone who came near him. American blacks are still paying for him." .............................. Excerpt : n contrast, Charley Burley never got a title shot, and although he was inducted into the Hall of Fame, until recently he remained enigmatic. In an excellent new book about Burley, his career and life are spelled out beautifully by Allen Rosenfeld in an extraordinarily detailed 600 page tome entitled: Charley Burley: The Life and Hard Times of an Uncrowned Champion. Rosenfeld brilliantly sifts through the labyrinth of complexity surrounding Burley, and draws a perfect retrospective of both Burley and the era in which he fought.
As other dedicated journalists and boxing historians have pointed out in fragments over the years, Rosenfeld did a great job showing us how Pittsburgh counterparts Billy Conn, Fritzie Zivic, and even college-educated middleweight, Billy Soose, often overshadowed Burley in a variety of ways. Burley’s style can best be characterized as subtle brilliance, but that didn’t help him from a business standpoint. Bad timing, bad business decisions, and a quiet demeanor certainly held Burley back. It is well known that Fritzie Zivic’s management team, led by Luke Carney, purchased Burley’s contract after Zivic lost 2 out of 3 to Burley in the late 1930s. In 1940, Zivic ended Armstrong’s string of 19 successful title defenses while Burley continued to wait on the sidelines. To add to Burley’s plight, he possessed an effective style appealing to the hardcore, but not necessarily the casual fan, and that kept Burley from reaching the heights he was capable of scaling as well. ........... Moore is certainly a great contender for this list and Burley is popular.... McG.Comment
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I have just discovered that the very great Middleweight champion Jack Nonpareil Dempsey never weighed more than a Welterweight in any fight in his career, I now believe that he is a legitimate possibility for this P4P list......... and How high do you blokes rate Nonpareil in your Welterweight list now ??????.... I bet there are few of you who have ever considered Nonpareil in your ATG WW list.Comment
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Last edited by McGoorty; 10-19-2011, 06:19 AM. Reason: LOL....LOL...LOL...LOL...LOL....LOL..LOL...LOL...LOL.Comment
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A writer wrote in 1919 in the Pittsburg Gazzette about the super exciting 40 round split newspaper decision of the fight between Philadelphia Fireman Fred Fitzsimmons and Battling Bakersfield Bill Broflovski.
The writer said Broflowski only weight 70 pounds the Fireman had 300 pound weight advantage OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Battling Bakersfield Bill Broflowski is the greatest fighter ever!!!!!!!!! He would KO Floyd Mayweather Jr in 33rd round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that better?Last edited by SCtrojansbaby; 10-19-2011, 07:57 AM.Comment
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