Benny Leonard vs Floyd Mmayweather-135

[New England]

I said you used Boxwreck to get those loses, which were disputed? Was I wrong...correct me when I say that you did not know that a host of newspaper disputed those decisions...I don't blame you...I did not know these things too. Don't take it personally.

I said Floyd would lose to those fighters if he maintained the same schedule, when did Floyd fight 10-12 fights a year...when you fight quality fighters in a busy schedule some will get the better of you...Do you dispute that any one what ever the quality will lose some if he faces quality opponents every 20-25 days? You box right? You should understand this.

Besides lets see two things:-
There are plenty of fighters Benny met who were bigger than him and he managed fine.

There are plenty of fighters smaller than him who I am sure can beat Floyd. Floyd might find himself fighting Benny's fight.

And yes I pick Benny to beat Floyd, and do that comfortably...and yes Floyd is not one of the few who can beat Benny...I give others a better chance.

no offense was taken
i was only taken back a bit about the part about the undefeated record, and wanted to make sure it was understood that it has little bearing on my pick or my opinion that floyd is a nightmare for any pure boxer around his size.

and yes, i'm aware that writers covering leonards fights, (and every other competitive fight,) have had different takes on who they thought won which // more rounds. and the fight with britton which in fairness shouldn't be held against him.

and certainly i also respect your point about the nature of leonards schedule.
floyd fights less than once a year at his current pace, which, especially for a 34 year old body, has huge benefits

leonards performance should obviously take into consideration the effect that schedule would have
same with his opponents, of course, they had rough schedules too.

floyd's career would look totally different if he lived 90-100 years ago, obviously

i'd expect a prime and ready leonard and mayweather for the purposes of the matchup. i think that's only fair.

hell, give benny leonard a 10 - 12 week training camp and see if he likes it
he might shine with it or he might feel rusty from the relative lack of activity.

everybody is entitled to an opinion, and i'm of the belief that floyd takes this one.

[Greatest1942]

no offense was taken
i was only taken back a bit about the part about the undefeated record, and wanted to make sure it was understood that it has little bearing on my pick or my opinion that floyd is a nightmare for any pure boxer around his size.

and yes, i'm aware that writers covering leonards fights, (and every other competitive fight,) have had different takes on who they thought won which // more rounds. and the fight with britton which in fairness shouldn't be held against him.

and certainly i also respect your point about the nature of leonards schedule.
floyd fights less than once a year at his current pace, which, especially for a 34 year old body, has huge benefits

leonards performance should obviously take into consideration the effect that schedule would have
same with his opponents, of course, they had rough schedules too.

floyd's career would look totally different if he lived 90-100 years ago, obviously

i'd expect a prime and ready leonard and mayweather for the purposes of the matchup. i think that's only fair.

hell, give benny leonard a 10 - 12 week training camp and see if he likes it
he might shine with it or he might feel rusty from the relative lack of activity.

everybody is entitled to an opinion, and i'm of the belief that floyd takes this one.

I quoted those loses and the schedule because you brought up those loses stating Floyd could beat them.

If you give him a 10-12 week training for Floyd, Benny will spend more time watching Floyd...This man picked holes in opponents armoury quicker than most people did.

Mate I have nothing against it....if we all agreed (as I often say) this will be a dull fight...and this is a fantasy fight after all...none of us are sure

[StarshipTrooper]

I was thinking the same thing. Mayweather has the best lead right hand I've seen from any fighter.

Watch Ali against Foreman for clinic in the lead right.

Poet

[Greatest1942]

Watch Ali against Foreman for clinic in the lead right.

Poet

I saw a film of Mike Gibbons, his right hand was simply awesome...it seemed to me a wonderful tool...he could hit hard with it and also had a wonderful lead...a fighter truly ahead of his times.

The guy KO'd out contenders in one round with that hand and sometimes just used it as a lead...I wont comment if it was the best lead ever...but it was good if my memory serves me right

[joseph5620]

Watch Ali against Foreman for clinic in the lead right.

Poet

I've watched it numerous times and it was impressive. But not even Ali used the lead right with the frequency that Mayweather does. Ali set everything up with his jab for the most part. Many times Mayweather will use the lead right/left hook in place of a jab. He does this in most of his fights.

[Marcov]

Leonard outpoints Mayweather.

[BennyST]

just because he's an all time great and top 3 or whatever doesn't mean he could beat or even be competitive with mayweather, he came from a completely different era.

I don't know how much footage exists of Benny Leonard but from what I've seen yeah he was a great fighter very skilled and crafty but I don't see any reason why floyd would have any problems with the guy.

Did he accomplish more than floyd, is he ranked higher all time? sure why not. but head to head is a different thing. For example Rocky Marciano is ranked pretty high on the all time greatest heavyweight lists that doesn't mean he would be competitive with Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis or Bob Fitzsimmons would beat a prime Roy Jones etc.

From what I've seen, which is quite a bit really as there is a fair amount out there, he is better skilled than any of the guys Floyd fights today. That's not in terms of different eras or whatever, he's just better. His counters are better timed, his jab is more educated, his footwork cleaner, his defense better and he does a lot of the same stuff as Floyd does today, funnily enough.

One of his main weapons was the lead right. He used it just like Floyd does today. As a jab, as a blinder, as a counter.

With HD colour and proper film rate, he would look no different than anyone fighting today, apart from the slight stance difference.

[ИATAS]

Here we go. The old "boxing has evolved" jazz.

I suggest you check out Poet's thread, it contains a pretty compelling argument that boxing has devolved over time.

That's not even entirely my argument. there are plenty of guys that would whoop ass from back then in today's time. I just don't think Benny Leonard is one of those guys. There are a lot of guys back then that wouldn't make it today (and vice versa for that matter!).

I just think Benny was good in his time. I don't see anything about him that strikes me as a guy that would give floyd problems.