Benny Leonard vs Floyd Mmayweather-135

[The Surgeon]

What thread was it in?

Peerless Jim Driscoll Poem

Its on page 7, it died a quick death....

[StarshipTrooper]

Peerless Jim Driscoll Poem

Its on page 7, it died a quick death....

Not sure how I missed it lol......Must have been one of those mornings where I'm insufficiently caffeinated :hahahaha9:

Poet

[New England]

Yeah, you are a good poster,... I'm just here to keep you on your toes, you know I'd hate to see you lose your edge.

all fair points, homie.

and you are right
floyd has only been to semi-disneyland and that was against shane's corpse.

leonard would be the best fighter p4p he ever fought by a huge stretch


and also, the rules, ref, size of the gloves, size of the ring, would all factor in as well

who knows if floyd's little baby hands can hold up if he's gotta wear tiny gloves

[SCtrojansbaby]

Only if you take a class on pre-1980s boxing.

I love 70s boxing(because of course most of the fights are available)

[SCtrojansbaby]

they are called trainers
they are not new to boxing. you don't need "science and technology" for that.

you don't learn how to train a fighter in a book or in a classroom. you learn by being around fighters and trainers. over time the sport has evolved in that sense.
i'm not saying it's going to hurt you to read a book, or have a doctorate

i'm saying if that's all you're going on you're going to get your fighters ass kicked

Trainers make you a better boxer, a S&C coach makes you a better athlete as it applies to boxing. Obviously having both is better than just having a trainer.

[New England]

Trainers make you a better boxer, a S&C coach makes you a better athlete as it applies to boxing. Obviously having both is better than just having a trainer.

it's not horrible to bring one in for a tip top boxer who needs a little bit extra (in manny's case, for example, he's moving up in weight and fighting bigger guys. ariza is certainly helpful in his career. same with the rebuilding of khan from a deerlegged LW to a strong as hell jr WW.)

but ariza didn't learn about boxing in a classroom dude
that stuff will literally get you almost nowhere alone
ariza is an asset because of his involvement for long periods of time with boxing and what he's learned from it

he didn't get out of UCLA ready to train manny pacquiao, dude.
that's literally absurd to me


but boxing training (roadwork, sparring, all your mitt and bag work, skipping rope, abs, etc) is honestly enough.

you don't see floyd mayweather (the best trained/conditioned boxer on the planet right now) using a strength coach



if he did everything he does now and added a "strength and conditioning coach" he'd be overtrained. it might sound like a crazy idea to be "overtrained" but it's certainly a real phenomenon. after many weeks of a huge workload like that the body will break down, especially as it gets older.


i call it getting dinged up
not horrible injuries, but little nagging **** (shinsplints, joint pain, hand issues, etc)
and of course you become more susceptible to the real injuries

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I think Leonard can beat him, Leonard was a master of picking off jabs as shown in his highlight video, and its really hard to throw sustained combinations against someone when the punch you use to set it up is being blocked, Leonard's feinting skills would also cause a problem however Floyd at lightweight is fast, FAST but I think that Leonard can neutralize his speed advantage, just my opinion of course. In three fights I see Floyd winning one but Leonard winning the other two.

but Mayweather rarely uses the jab for anything....

[joseph5620]

but Mayweather rarely uses the jab for anything....

I was thinking the same thing. Mayweather has the best lead right hand I've seen from any fighter.

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the guy works too hard in the gym to just pack it in when he's in trouble.
and if for no other reason, losing and getting knocked out is bad for business and his wallet

been saying this for years now...

i think when a test will come, it will be like the final rounds of Jones-Tarver 1. Tarver has the biggest win of his life in front of him, but it's the corpse like looking Jones who digs deep inside and gets the round.

Jones and Mayweather looked untouchable for many years, because they were talented young and because they worked their butts off like no tomorrow. Just like Jones reached those two rounds with all he had in him, you better believe Mayweather will do anything to keep his zero.

[Greatest1942]

first bold
check the rest of my posts, Bro


and you're really getting on me for using the boxrec? moving on

second bold
this just sounds childish to me. i hope you aren't being serious and trying to build a stance on something with logic (or reversed logic, whatever you want to call it. sarcasm,) like that
i'm not being biased toward any era. i've seen plenty of film of both fighters. i'm pretty sure i've seen every mayweather fight available on film

i don't think benny leonard would win a decision against floyd mayweather in a 15 round fight. i think floyd is all wrong for him.
bigger, stronger, better boxer. i developed this opinion through my understanding of boxing. it might not be perfect, nobody's is.
not some hackneyed idea that being undefeated makes floyd the greatest fighter of all time, or that modernity is an inherently greater-making quality

i'm not some floyd fan boy, dude. ask around if you have to. i like to think i know a little bit about boxing.

i pick plenty of WW's to beat floyd
and a few LW's

leonard is not one of them

I said you used Boxwreck to get those loses, which were disputed? Was I wrong...correct me when I say that you did not know that a host of newspaper disputed those decisions...I don't blame you...I did not know these things too. Don't take it personally.

I said Floyd would lose to those fighters if he maintained the same schedule, when did Floyd fight 10-12 fights a year...when you fight quality fighters in a busy schedule some will get the better of you...Do you dispute that any one what ever the quality will lose some if he faces quality opponents every 20-25 days? You box right? You should understand this.

Besides lets see two things:-
There are plenty of fighters Benny met who were bigger than him and he managed fine.

There are plenty of fighters smaller than him who I am sure can beat Floyd. Floyd might find himself fighting Benny's fight.

And yes I pick Benny to beat Floyd, and do that comfortably...and yes Floyd is not one of the few who can beat Benny...I give others a better chance.