20 billion:Do you agree with D'Amato that a swarming fighter could never beat Foreman

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Arsenal...WHAT arsenal. He had a straight left jab, a right cross and an uppercut. Nothing else at all. No subtlety. I don't think he even had a real left hook. His asset was his strength.

And "BIG" George, wasn't all that big, 6'3" and a 78" reach. Average., but best fighting weight 215-220.....and SLOOOW.

He hit ali 8 clean times with his signature punch ali took it never fell yea ali was real tough but was he really when we look at the tech they had back then

they say how earn was a bad finisher nobody who is known to hit hard hits a person with their sig punch that many times and their not in danger let alone ever dropped from it so no it wasn't just he was a bad finisher his tech wasnt that good either

earn power is way overrated the man isn't top 10 anybody who ever said that off of ****** quotes that can't change vid is a idiot

bowe Anthony frank and mutiple others hit way harder

[Willie Pep 229]

He hit ali 8 clean times with his signature punch ali took it never fell yea ali was real tough but was he really when we look at the tech they had back then

they say how earn was a bad finisher nobody who is known to hit hard hits a person with their sig punch that many times and their not in danger let alone ever dropped from it so no it wasn't just he was a bad finisher his tech wasnt that good either

earn power is way overrated the man isn't top 10 anybody who ever said that off of ****** quotes that can't change vid is a idiot

bowe Anthony frank and mutiple others hit way harder

How you could possibly know that? From watching video? I think not.

Of course you don't believe in 'silly, outdated, dumb, quotes.' So how can you possibly conclude that? Have you been hit by all four involved?

[BKM-]

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Arsenal...WHAT arsenal. He had a straight left jab, a right cross and an uppercut. Nothing else at all. No subtlety. I don't think he even had a real left hook. His asset was his strength.

And "BIG" George, wasn't all that big, 6'3" and a 78" reach. Average., but best fighting weight 215-220.....and SLOOOW.

Watch and learn.

Around the 3 minute mark it covers all the details and nuances of Foreman's style. To the untrained eye like yours, and to the developmentally disabled like the new troll we got in here, it might seem like Foreman was kind of crude and rough. But he was trained early on by an all time great trainer who knew what he was doing.

Foreman is someone we will never see again. He was the last man who took a lot of very old, extinct boxing techniques and put them into a modern skillset. He could do it because he was a genetic freak.

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How you could possibly know that? From watching video? I think not.

Of course you don't believe in 'silly, outdated, dumb, quotes.' So how can you possibly conclude that? Have you been hit by all four involved?

I dont have to I can see dumb question i don't care what you think it doesnt matter nobody thoughts or words mean anything vid proves im right like it always have and like I said another person could hit ali and he would fall cause they hit way harder then earn did better tech and just hit harder

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Watch and learn.

Around the 3 minute mark it covers all the details and nuances of Foreman's style. To the untrained eye like yours, and to the developmentally disabled like the new troll we got in here, it might seem like Foreman was kind of crude and rough. But he was trained early on by an all time great trainer who knew what he was doing.

Foreman is someone we will never see again. He was the last man who took a lot of very old, extinct boxing techniques and put them into a modern skillset. He could do it because he was a genetic freak.

Learn how to read you crazy idiot follower and we seen way better then George like joe and ali way more skilled then he ever was and way better tech only a idiot would think they see george as being more skilled

A fighter like george slow easy go read and basic we seen people like him who were more advanced way more

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Learn how to read you crazy idiot follower and we seen way better then George like joe and ali way more skilled then he ever was and way better tech only a idiot would think they see george as being more skilled

A fighter like george slow easy go read and basic we seen people like him who were more advanced way more
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[Willie Pep 229]

I dont have to I can see dumb question i don't care what you think it doesnt matter nobody thoughts or words mean anything vid proves im right like it always have and like I said another person could hit ali and he would fall cause they hit way harder then earn did better tech and just hit harder

Na I think you need to offer an explanation. I have supported you when you challenged 'quote' based history. I think much is bogus as well.

But you championed visual observation over recorded history (mostly quotes) - I'm not asking a cheeky question.

I can accept your arguments questioning footwork from film, but power of blows is a really tough assessment to defend.

[Willow The Wisp]

Watch and learn.

Around the 3 minute mark it covers all the details and nuances of Foreman's style. To the untrained eye like yours, and to the developmentally disabled like the new troll we got in here, it might seem like Foreman was kind of crude and rough. But he was trained early on by an all time great trainer who knew what he was doing.

Foreman is someone we will never see again. He was the last man who took a lot of very old, extinct boxing techniques and put them into a modern skillset. He could do it because he was a genetic freak.

Great post. Straightened em' out firmly....but only if they want to move up in the class. Foreman has derived more than a quarter billion USD off of his perceived 'simple, predictable' style. How could anyone licenced to drive not look at that and want to study further???

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Na I think you need to offer an explanation. I have supported you when you challenged 'quote' based history. I think much is bogus as well.

But you championed visual observation over recorded history (mostly quotes) - I'm not asking a cheeky question.

I can accept your arguments questioning footwork from film, but power of blows is a really tough assessment to defend.

I dont need to explain much look at the matches the reactions

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Great post. Straightened em' out firmly....but only if they want to move up in the class. Foreman has derived more than a quarter billion USD off of his perceived 'simple, predictable' style. How could anyone licenced to drive not look at that and want to study further???

Well said bud. People have to question themselves, boxers don't just find tremendous success at the elite level by simply being predictable, crude etc. There is always more to it. This sport is called the sweet science for a reason, it is too evolved to just be taken over by a simple powerhouse especially not in the era Foreman was fighting in.

It's kind of sad that boxing history has overlooked Foreman a bit in this regard. IMO he is one of the most fascinating boxers you can find because of the old school grappling techniques(which would also be very beneficial in MMA where dirty boxing is legal) he used so efficiently.

Most just know him for his punching power and strength. But the deeper you look into his blocking, arm/torso manipulation of opponents, the anticipation of incoming punches and the counters etc. the more you realize he was an intelligent fighter with high fight IQ.

In his comeback he started to implement the cross guard for defense more. I think as he aged and slowed down it was much harder to control faster, younger opponents the same way. Which is why I said earlier that Foreman fought so well because he had remarkable genetics. It takes so much grappling strength, arm endurance and a great chin, it's kind of a high reward high risk style too, Frazier still nailed him with some hard left hooks and when he was too relaxed with it, a guy like Lyle made him pay for it. But this man was a machine.