20 billion:Do you agree with D'Amato that a swarming fighter could never beat Foreman

[QueensburyRules]

Liston wasn't a swarmer though: He was a boxer-puncher. The other thing is that if someone bigger then George they simply wouldn't be fighting as a swarmer. Swarmers are usually swarmers because their body-types (short arms, stocky build) dictate that they fight that way.

Poet

- - I would just point out to our resident Poet Don't Know It Jack Dempsey and Tunney near twins in boxing measurements, and Dempsey the swarmer and Tunney the boxer/puncher, and there are other examples...

[Ascended]

Only crazy followers believe in words never said Mike destroyed slow easy to read types like george he never would land much its vids showing mike vs these types they were all destroyed

Anybody comparing joe is a idiot follower who doesnt watch matches its been proven years ago they fought nothing alike so to keep repeating that silly quote as if its no vid proven it wrong is crazy

[Willie Pep 229]

Only crazy followers believe in words never said Mike destroyed slow easy to read types like george he never would land much its vids showing mike vs these types they were all destroyed

Anybody comparing joe is a idiot follower who doesnt watch matches its been proven years ago they fought nothing alike so to keep repeating that silly quote as if its no vid proven it wrong is crazy

So what was it about 'Bone Crusher' Smith that Tyson couldn't "read'?

Because Smith neutralized Tyson's attack for 15 rounds (but didn't have the prowess to take it to Tyson.)

If Tyson fought 'that fight' against either Foreman I or II, and lets Big George turn him around, tie him up, and lean on him, the way Smith did, Foreman will eventually land hard enough, and often enough to put Tyson down.

Foreman (I or II) brings so much more to the ring than Smith. Tyson would need to be much more than he was agsinst Smith or Foreman would stop him inside of 12.

[QueensburyRules]

So what was it about 'Bone Crusher' Smith that Tyson couldn't "read'?

Because Smith neutralized Tyson's attack for 15 rounds (but didn't have the prowess to take it to Tyson.)

If Tyson fought 'that fight' against either Foreman I or II, and lets Big George turn him around, tie him up, and lean on him, the way Smith did, Foreman will eventually land hard enough, and often enough to put Tyson down.

Foreman (I or II) brings so much more to the ring than Smith. Tyson would need to be much more than he was agsinst Smith or Foreman would stop him inside of 12.

- - Gotta understand, mrmoney the one training Mike, so where before Cus says Mike could never beat Foreman, mrmoney sez he does beat Foreman...simples...

[Ascended]

So what was it about 'Bone Crusher' Smith that Tyson couldn't "read'?

Because Smith neutralized Tyson's attack for 15 rounds (but didn't have the prowess to take it to Tyson.)

If Tyson fought 'that fight' against either Foreman I or II, and lets Big George turn him around, tie him up, and lean on him, the way Smith did, Foreman will eventually land hard enough, and often enough to put Tyson down.

Foreman (I or II) brings so much more to the ring than Smith. Tyson would need to be much more than he was agsinst Smith or Foreman would stop him inside of 12.

George angles was simple straight thats makes him way more easier to read cause mike fought people like that and smith wasnt that simple
George was slower then him
george wasted more punches
george was easy to counter
one punch at a time
is any of thighs these a lie no


Smith didn't waste punches as much
much
Smith was a combo puncher
Smith was a type who could punch from angles like I said
Smith hugged more to survive
Smith had real defense not pushing
George was none of these things when young and you cant find a match where he was

what george had over Smith was being stronger being able to manipulate people who wasnt that tech skilled or not in shape or not In shape yet none of these things can go over the tech advantage that Smith had over him

Smith had trouble cause of his speed and he was easy to read compared to mike cause mike was so fast and great at making a person miss most know this to

The quote/myth is mike was weak to uppercuts which is a lie
mike problems was a jab that was fought from range to keep him away

george didn't use a jab to fight like that like a ali or like a Smith

most know george wasted to many punches and most know those dumb quotes you used only works with idiots who dont know how to win a fight vs mike works and it never was anybody who just forced there way by bullying like george did

Tucker was mikes toughest opponent when mike was in shape george fought nothing like him either so your a idiot

Young george is done for and fast cause of the flaws listed that he didn't have over Smith who was a better slugger then he ever was technically one of the most complete sluggers its ever been in hw

So yea george brought more flaws then smith ever did which you would be right

Now george in his old form fought better gives a tougher match

[Willie Pep 229]

George angles was simple straight thats makes him way more easier to read cause mike fought people like that and smith wasnt that simple
George was slower then him
george wasted more punches
george was easy to counter
one punch at a time
is any of thighs these a lie no


Smith didn't waste punches as much
much
Smith was a combo puncher
Smith was a type who could punch from angles like I said
Smith hugged more to survive
Smith had real defense not pushing
George was none of these things when young and you cant find a match where he was

what george had over Smith was being stronger being able to manipulate people who wasnt that tech skilled or not in shape or not In shape yet none of these things can go over the tech advantage that Smith had over him

Smith had trouble cause of his speed and he was easy to read compared to mike cause mike was so fast and great at making a person miss most know this to

The quote/myth is mike was weak to uppercuts which is a lie
mike problems was a jab that was fought from range to keep him away

george didn't use a jab to fight like that like a ali or like a Smith

most know george wasted to many punches and most know those dumb quotes you used only works with idiots who dont know how to win a fight vs mike works and it never was anybody who just forced there way by bullying like george did

Tucker was mikes toughest opponent when mike was in shape george fought nothing like him either so your a idiot

Young george is done for and fast cause of the flaws listed that he didn't have over Smith who was a better slugger then he ever was technically one of the most complete sluggers its ever been in hw

So yea george brought more flaws then smith ever did which you would be right

Now george in his old form fought better gives a tougher match

So Smith is on your top 20 list of ATG HWs ?

[Nash out]

Cus told Mike that a fighter who came to Foreman could not beat him, that includes fighters like Dempsey, Marciano and Tyson himself, it's even said that was one of the reasons Tyson never faced him in 1990. So agree or disagree?

Mr. Tomato never accomplished anything of note, let's be honest. Nash out.

[Ivich]

Cus told Mike that a fighter who came to Foreman could not beat him, that includes fighters like Dempsey, Marciano and Tyson himself, it's even said that was one of the reasons Tyson never faced him in 1990. So agree or disagree?

Maybe if the swarmer was of the stature of a Makhmudov with the speed of a Tyson and good head movement?Generally speaking though ,no.

[Ascended]

Maybe if the swarmer was of the stature of a Makhmudov with the speed of a Tyson and good head movement?Generally speaking though ,no.

Cus never said it is the problem its a dumb quote that's been repeated for years

[Ascended]

So Smith is on your top 20 list of ATG HWs ?

No cause I dont do that ranking i do skill only yea smith is there u spoiled one off my list which is still coming