Besides Hearns, Leonard and maybe Duran

[Steak]

You missed my point Hagler always fought the best in his division so did Wlad, Lopez, B-Hop and Floyd(while he was active) all are victims(or benefactors) of a weak division. Wlad Lopez Hopkins and Floyd take flak for it yet Hagler doesn't.

I dont understand why you consider his division so terrible. Many people considered it so good that Hagler was being considered the best middleweight champ ever only halfwy through his title reign, before fighting Hearns or Duran.

A lot of the guys were so good that they kept earning title shots, but just couldnt beat Hagler...They would have no doubt have been champs had Hagler not been around. Im talking in particular about Fulgencio Obelmejas, who became a 168lb champion years after his best days, and Mustafa Hamsho, who beat a former champ(Alan Minter), Wilfredo Benitez, and Bobby Czyz(a future light heavyweight and Cruiserweight titlist).

The thing is that Hagler had both quantity and quality of wins. He beat pretty much every single top ranked fighter over a number of years(he beat more top opposition than Wladimir and Hopkins) and still had very good 'name' wins like Hearns and Duran.

[Prince Mongo]

John Mugabe was considered a monster before he fought Hagler.

[SCtrojansbaby]

I dont understand why you consider his division so terrible. Many people considered it so good that Hagler was being considered the best middleweight champ ever only halfwy through his title reign, before fighting Hearns or Duran.

A lot of the guys were so good that they kept earning title shots, but just couldnt beat Hagler...They would have no doubt have been champs had Hagler not been around. Im talking in particular about Fulgencio Obelmejas, who became a 168lb champion years after his best days, and Mustafa Hamsho, who beat a former champ(Alan Minter), Wilfredo Benitez, and Bobby Czyz(a future light heavyweight and Cruiserweight titlist).

The thing is that Hagler had both quantity and quality of wins. He beat pretty much every single top ranked fighter over a number of years(he beat more top opposition than Wladimir and Hopkins) and still had very good 'name' wins like Hearns and Duran.

Who are these top opposition guys that were better than the guys Wad and Hopkins fought? Obelmejas and Hamsho are not any better than John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, Eddie Chambers, and Ray Mercer

[Steak]

Who are these top opposition guys that were better than the guys Wad and Hopkins fought? Obelmejas and Hamsho are not any better than John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, Eddie Chambers, and Ray Mercer

thats just a silly statement. Chambers is a solid win but definitely not as good as Hamsho/Obel, and Mercer and John David Jackson were very obviously past prime by the time Wlad/Hopkins got around to them, and not even close to being the best in the division.

I would consider Glen substantially pre-prime when he fought Hopkins personally, although you can make a claim for him being a decent win.

[young_robbed]

lol at you trying to diss his opposition....

[SCtrojansbaby]

thats just a silly statement. Chambers is a solid win but definitely not as good as Hamsho/Obel, and Mercer and John David Jackson were very obviously past prime by the time Wlad/Hopkins got around to them, and not even close to being the best in the division.

I would consider Glen substantially pre-prime when he fought Hopkins personally, although you can make a claim for him being a decent win.

LOL what makes those guys better than Chambers? and Mercer was on a good winning streak and was considered to be somewhat rejuvenated. Jackson only real loss was to an always tough Jorge Castro in one of the best fights of decade where how can he be considered very obviously past his prime?

LOL at Glen Johnson being pre-prime he was 32-0 and in his late 20s

[SCtrojansbaby]

lol at you trying to diss his opposition....

I just want to know why he doesn't get same criticisms that other guys get? I have Hagler Floyd Wlad Lopez and B-Hop(middleweight only, he beat great comp at light heavy) ranked very high but it can't be because they beat guys in weak eras of there respective divisions its because of there talent. You can't knock the others for fighting in weak eras but then not do the same for Hagler.

John Mugabe was considered a monster before he fought Hagler.

So was Manfredy before he got smacked around by Floyd

[Steak]

LOL what makes those guys better than Chambers? and Mercer was on a good winning streak and was considered to be somewhat rejuvenated. Jackson only real loss was to an always tough Jorge Castro in one of the best fights of decade where how can he be considered very obviously past his prime?

LOL at Glen Johnson being pre-prime he was 32-0 and in his late 20s

Mercer was 41 years old and had beaten no one of note, and never had another semi-meaningful win in his career. give me a break.

Chambers is a decent fighter in a weak division. I give credit to Wladimir for the win, because its good, but how is he as good as Hamsho? Hamsho was a much more skilled fighter, in better shape, and had better wins over Benitez, Czyz and Minter.

Just because youre undefeated doesnt make you prime. Glen would go on to have a LOT of losses directly after fighting Hopkins. Now, its very possible that most of these were robberies...but Ive heard that fights such as Sosa and Ottke were legitimate losses. To be frank, I have no idea. But I do know its clear as day that Glen hit his best stride at around 2003, and that was 6 years after losing to Hopkins.

as for John David Jackson, he was just coming off a loss to a 9-6 guy. Yes, the result was controversial. but he was also dropped and struggled in the fight. It had been 3 years since the Castro fight and he had beaten no one of not, and was unranked in the division. Not to mention he never did anything else in his career.

[Barn]

lol at you trying to diss his opposition....

It happens all the time

[JAB5239]

So was Manfredy before he got smacked around by Floyd

No he wasn't, he just got by little John Brown by a close UD before the Floyd fight. He was seen as a very good up and comer, but not nearly a "monster".