Besides Hearns, Leonard and maybe Duran

[Forza]

Hurts me to say this but he basically beat antuofermo twice. The "draw" was kind of a robbery in the 1st fight, hagler should have gotten the nod.

Also SRL did not beat him, maybe that fight was a draw at worst.

[Scott9945]

Hagler already cleaned out the division before he won his belt. He was called "the uncrowned middleweight champion of the world".

That is true. If Hagler had gotten the title shot when he actually deserved it his championship resume would be more impressive.

[bojangles1987]

Like already mentioned, Hagler had pretty much beaten the best middleweights before he ever actually had a title. He beat some really good fighters.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Probably because he did come up through some very tough guys before he won the crown....and because he was such a great, great representative for the sport. Hopkins, Wlad, and Mayweather are scrutinized in that way because a number of people simply do not like the way they fight. Lopez? I think being at that weight class made a lot of the names on his resume unrecognizable....I certainly can't imagine anyone disliking the way that guy fought or his approach.

Hagler's my favorite all time fighter- for how he fought and for the way he was as a fighter and champion.

Who are these fighters?

I think Hagler is a great talent maybe the best brawler of all time regardless of weight class(yes I know he wasn't just a brawler). But he has the same holes in resume that Wlad Lopez B-Hop and Floyd do.

[Scott9945]

Who are these fighters?

I think Hagler is a great talent maybe the best brawler of all time regardless of weight class(yes I know he wasn't just a brawler). But he has the same holes in resume that Wlad Lopez B-Hop and Floyd do.

Before he won the title Hagler beat some very good contenders like Eugene Hart, Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, Ray Seales, etc.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Before he won the title Hagler beat some very good contenders like Eugene Hart, Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, Ray Seales, etc.

Are those guys really any better than the contenders that Hopkins Lopez and Wlad beat. Floyd didn't really have time to fight contenders he won the belt so young

[Mugwump]

Who are these fighters?

I think Hagler is a great talent maybe the best brawler of all time regardless of weight class(yes I know he wasn't just a brawler). But he has the same holes in resume that Wlad Lopez B-Hop and Floyd do.

What on earth are you talking about? Neither Floyd nor Wlad (especially) have fought (much less beaten) ONE fighter whose list of accomplishments comes close to the three names listed.

If you're suggesting Hagler's resume has holes because when he wasn't fighting (and beating) legends he refused to ONLY engage with top-20 P4P fighters you can't know much about boxing.

There's a good reason even the best fighters shy away from exclusively taking on top contenders (not that many of Hagler's opponents were bad) - THEIR HEALTH.

Given Hagler's style he would have been permanently brain damaged before his 30th birthday had he limited himself only to the absolute best of the best. This is also the reason he fought so infrequently. Brutal wars (such as, say, the one Ray Leonard fought for the first time against Duran) take their toll and a boxer only has so many in him before the body begins to fall apart. I have no problem cutting Hagler a tiny bit of slack (and it is tiny) because of his achievements. When Floyd and Wlad can point to the equivalent I'll do the same.

Hagler took more punishment in ONE ROUND vs Hearns than Floyd and Wlad took in five fights. Consider the Mugabi bout where Hagler dominated and yet still left the ring barely able to see out of one eye and the rest of his face a mess.

[SCtrojansbaby]

What on earth are you talking about? Neither Floyd nor Wlad (especially) have fought (much less beaten) ONE fighter whose list of accomplishments comes close to the three names listed.

If you're suggesting Hagler's resume has holes because when he wasn't fighting (and beating) legends he refused to ONLY engage with top-20 P4P fighters you can't know much about boxing.

There's a good reason even the best fighters shy away from exclusively taking on top contenders (not that many of Hagler's opponents were bad) - THEIR HEALTH.

Given Hagler's style he would have been permanently brain damaged before his 30th birthday had he limited himself only to the absolute best of the best. This is also the reason he fought so infrequently. Brutal wars (such as, say, the one Ray Leonard fought for the first time against Duran) take their toll and a boxer only has so many in him before the body begins to fall apart. I have no problem cutting Hagler a tiny bit of slack (and it is tiny) because of his achievements. When Floyd and Wlad can point to the equivalent I'll do the same.

Hagler took more punishment in ONE ROUND vs Hearns than Floyd and Wlad took in five fights. Consider the Mugabi bout where Hagler dominated and yet still left the ring barely able to see out of one eye and the rest of his face a mess.

You missed my point Hagler always fought the best in his division so did Wlad, Lopez, B-Hop and Floyd(while he was active) all are victims(or benefactors) of a weak division. Wlad Lopez Hopkins and Floyd take flak for it yet Hagler doesn't.

[Mugwump]

You missed my point Hagler always fought the best in his division so did Wlad, Lopez, B-Hop and Floyd(while he was active) all are victims(or benefactors) of a weak division. Wlad Lopez Hopkins and Floyd take flak for it yet Hagler doesn't.

Perhaps an argument can be made for Wlad (a heavy who cannot move down - although there's nothing stopping him fighting his brother), but the rest have freedom to move about the weights. Big fights were there and for one reason or another they were never taken.

And sure, luck plays a role. You can dominate your division for years and still go down as a nobody. All the more reason, then, to stake a claim. Plant your flag. Go where the heavy artillery lies. If fortune takes a dump on your division then find another way to sell yourself. If you can't fight quality opponents then fight often or move up or down.

Perhaps Hagler's resume is weak compared to, say, Duran's at the lighter weights (which makes just about any champ's look meagre too). But it's kind of irrelevant because he did the business in the blockbuster events.

[New England]

Hagler already cleaned out the division before he won his belt. He was called "the uncrowned middleweight champion of the world".

exactly


he was jobbed out of the wba and wbc belts in his draw with antuofermo
and he stopped him in the rematch

he had a great run up to his shot at the title, and one of the best title runs ever at the weight (the weight with perhaps the best runs of title holders with monzon, hopkins, and robinson winning the title 5 or 6 times)


and he knocked everybody other than roberto duran out during his title run
his resume has very few holes
almost none. he retired at or around the end of his prime and could have done more // evened the score with leonard
and he had the chin power and style to move up in weight, but retired after the leonard fight

and i had him beating leonard
but i'm from boston
and my grandparents lived in brockton and framingham when they came to the states
so i'm very biased