Greatest Mexican Fighters

[LeG00N]

Top 10 in Mexican boxing history? Maybe....they'd come in at 9th and beyond.

I believe they've all had better careers than guys like Chiquita, Palomino, and Pipino.

My rankings-

1.Chavez
2.Olivares
3.Sanchez
4.Zarate
5.Lopez
6.Canto
7.Manuel Ortiz
8.Saldivar

Finito? that high? He was great but people overrate him because he was undefeated

[jabsRstiff]

Finito? that high? He was great but people overrate him because he was undefeated

I think people overrate him when they say he's the best Mexican fighter ever. But, I think he belongs where I put him. He was totally dominant (aside from the Alvarez fights), and totally brilliant.

[The Surgeon]

Top 10 in Mexican boxing history? Maybe....they'd come in at 9th and beyond.

I believe they've all had better careers than guys like Chiquita, Palomino, and Pipino.

My rankings-

1.Chavez
2.Olivares
3.Sanchez
4.Zarate
5.Lopez
6.Canto
7.Manuel Ortiz
8.Saldivar

Thanks for sharing ur own list bud, for me tho they all get a top 10 spot, i think they are just incredible fighters

[Steak]

JMM wasn't in his prime either and it can't be an age debate , not when JMM is older

in that case put the JMM that fought Pacquiao the first time around... of course Barrera would be one weightclass above. I mean in regards to prime

and I'm certain the result would be the same a long hard fought technical match that JMM would win

sigh...ring age does not = actual age. Barrera had MUCH more wear and tear on him, since he had fighting at a world class level since before Marquez was even ranked and had been in multiple wars before Marquez had even won a title.

its clear as day that even if Marquez wasnt prime against Barrera, he was far closer to it than Barrera was.
people often forget, but they were already questioning what Barrera had left leading up to the first Morales fight.

when I say 'the Barrera from the third Morales fight', Im not saying a prime Barrera either. Im just bringing up a version of him that was still past prime but still not so far removed that it would be a similiar style of fight.

[LeG00N]

sigh...ring age does not = actual age. Barrera had MUCH more wear and tear on him, since he had fighting at a world class level since before Marquez was even ranked and had been in multiple wars before Marquez had even won a title.

its clear as day that even if Marquez wasnt prime against Barrera, he was far closer to it than Barrera was.
people often forget, but they were already questioning what Barrera had left leading up to the first Morales fight.

when I say 'the Barrera from the third Morales fight', Im not saying a prime Barrera either. Im just bringing up a version of him that was still past prime but still not so far removed that it would be a similiar style of fight.

"Sigh" nice way of starting your condescending post.

I wasn't implying ring/boxing age = actual age. Any simpleton that follows boxing clearly knows the distinction, but thank you for defining it just incase.

you're saying Barrera was clearly more over the hill than the obviously over the hill 34 year old JMM that outboxed him.

So then you say that a slightly less battle worn Barrera
would "clearly" beat the 34 year old year over the hill version of JMM he fought and i'm saying if we take a younger JMM from around the same time (2004) he would of AGAIN beat Barrera. I have taken into consideration that even at 30 JMM didn't look as battle worn as Barrera.

but IMO he beats him at any stage of his career because he is a better technician and if you've watched 43 JMM fights like I have.

you would understand that a prime Barrera wasn't as developed or skilled boxing wise as the older Barrera was. He was a sophisticated Brawler in his early career that could be considered his prime. He wasn't fighting like how he fought Hamed or Tapia. While JMM was a pure counter punching defensive boxer that later evolved into a counter punching /Boxer puncher to meet the demands of his aging body.
JMM would've boxed his ears off if they fought in their primes, and I'm a fan of Barrera.


Stylistically JMM beats him in his prime and he beat him past it.

[IronDanHamza]

Top 10 in Mexican boxing history? Maybe....they'd come in at 9th and beyond.

I believe they've all had better careers than guys like Chiquita, Palomino, and Pipino.

My rankings-

1.Chavez
2.Olivares
3.Sanchez
4.Zarate
5.Lopez
6.Canto
7.Manuel Ortiz
8.Saldivar

You're counting Mexican-Americans? Well obviously you are with your selection of Manuel Ortiz.

I'm not sure the context Surgeon was asking for but usually best Mexican fighters have to be full Mexican, right?

[jabsRstiff]

You're counting Mexican-Americans? Well obviously you are with your selection of Manuel Ortiz.

I'm not sure the context Surgeon was asking for but usually best Mexican fighters have to be full Mexican, right?

Wasn't aware he wasn't full Mex!

If that's the case, let's take the Yankee prick off of my list.....

[Steak]

"Sigh" nice way of starting your condescending post.

I wasn't implying ring/boxing age = actual age. Any simpleton that follows boxing clearly knows the distinction, but thank you for defining it just incase.

you're saying Barrera was clearly more over the hill than the obviously over the hill 34 year old JMM that outboxed him.

So then you say that a slightly less battle worn Barrera
would "clearly" beat the 34 year old year over the hill version of JMM he fought and i'm saying if we take a younger JMM from around the same time (2004) he would of AGAIN beat Barrera. I have taken into consideration that even at 30 JMM didn't look as battle worn as Barrera.

but IMO he beats him at any stage of his career because he is a better technician and if you've watched 43 JMM fights like I have.

you would understand that a prime Barrera wasn't as developed or skilled boxing wise as the older Barrera was. He was a sophisticated Brawler in his early career that could be considered his prime. He wasn't fighting like how he fought Hamed or Tapia. While JMM was a pure counter punching defensive boxer that later evolved into a counter punching /Boxer puncher to meet the demands of his aging body.
JMM would've boxed his ears off if they fought in their primes, and I'm a fan of Barrera.


Stylistically JMM beats him in his prime and he beat him past it.

well, thats dumb. Barrera arguably deserved to beat Marquez in their fight anyway and ****ed his day up pretty bad before fading late. Barrera NEVER faded late, that only happened when he was going downhill. and its very obvious that Barrera was much more past prime than Marquez was when they met up.

I like Marquez, but in no way is he a better technician. Barrera had more boxing ability and a better jab, as well as the higher ring IQ. Marquez has better combination punching, but was not as complete as Barrera, and was way too hittable even in his earlier years. Barrera from the Hamed fight beats any version of Marquez.

[LeG00N]

well, thats dumb. Barrera arguably deserved to beat Marquez in their fight anyway and ****ed his day up pretty bad before fading late. Barrera NEVER faded late, that only happened when he was going downhill. and its very obvious that Barrera was much more past prime than Marquez was when they met up.

I like Marquez, but in no way is he a better technician. Barrera had more boxing ability and a better jab, as well as the higher ring IQ. Marquez has better combination punching, but was not as complete as Barrera, and was way too hittable even in his earlier years. Barrera from the Hamed fight beats any version of Marquez.

No it isn't dumb.....



Most people happen to agree with me that JMM won their close fight..

.it's just a difference of opinions I guess

[SCtrojansbaby]

Barrera was at least 90% of his prime when he fought Marquez