Greatest Resume of All Time?

[Steak]

If it is so insignificant why does it happen so rarely? When a fighter only has 8 fights it is most certainly a test. If it wasn't than why would this have been written?

"Jeffries showed considerable imrovement in cleverness, using his hands with both judgement and precision."

Rarely? It took me 2 seconds to find 3 guys that had wins over ATGs in under 10 fights. Theres probably more. Lemmon and Pennington were bums who lost to guys not even CLOSE to being the best in their division. Them beating completely past it ATGs doesnt make them good wins magically...

and good for Jeffries, he looked better in a fight over a guy that was no better than a journeyman. its like me watching a prospect on Friday Night Fights destroy a sacrifical lamb. good for him if he looked improved, but it still doesnt mean it was a good win, especially not in terms of overall historical greatness.

[JAB5239]

Rarely? It took me 2 seconds to find 3 guys that had wins over ATGs in under 10 fights. Theres probably more. Lemmon and Pennington were bums who lost to guys not even CLOSE to being the best in their division. Them beating completely past it ATGs doesnt make them good wins magically...

and good for Jeffries, he looked better in a fight over a guy that was no better than a journeyman. its like me watching a prospect on Friday Night Fights destroy a sacrifical lamb. good for him if he looked improved, but it still doesnt mean it was a good win, especially not in terms of overall historical greatness.

Yes, rarely. Find every single one you can and we'll find a rough idea of how many pro's there have been in history and I will bet you all my remaining points it is less than 1% of the time in history this has happened. THAT is rare!

Its not a great win, but it isn't insignificant either. Its in addition to the other greats I pointed out on his resume in such a short period. And whether he was past it or not, you probably can't find another fighter with as many ATG's on his resume in such a short period of time.

[Steak]

Yes, rarely. Find every single one you can and we'll find a rough idea of how many pro's there have been in history and I will bet you all my remaining points it is less than 1% of the time in history this has happened. THAT is rare!

Its not a great win, but it isn't insignificant either. Its in addition to the other greats I pointed out on his resume in such a short period. And whether he was past it or not, you probably can't find another fighter with as many ATG's on his resume in such a short period of time.

Leon Spinks over Ali in 8 fights
Lemmon over Spinks in 9 fights
Pennington over Griffith in 5 fights
Harris Blake over Tony Canvoneri in 7 fights

You started off saying "I bet not one person here can name me a fighter who fought and beat any alltime great, regardless of age, after 8 fights.".
Then you say "Touch'!! Now find another and tell me how he fared any other time he fought a great."

now theres 4 on the table, most of which were wins by total bums, and youre saying we have to take into account every pro in the history of the sport? what the hell are you talking about?

Jackson wasnt a good win, end of story. I dont care how 'inexperienced' Jeffries was. Jackson was lower than a journeyman at that point. beating up a journeyman or worse at ANY point in your career is not a good win if were actually talking legacy.

its like if I went out and beat up current day Ali or something in my professional debut. cong****! good win for me because Im inexperienced! lets just forget that Ali has a serious medical condition!

come on man. youre just being stubborn at this point.

[JAB5239]

Let me just add that it is worth noting Jackson on Jeff's resume BECAUSE he went on to beat other ATG's and proved it wasn't a fluke or it only happened because Jackson was at the end of the line in his career. How many others have done that? Certainly not anyone who has been named so far, and that has significance.

[Steak]

Let me just add that it is worth noting Jackson on Jeff's resume BECAUSE he went on to beat other ATG's and proved it wasn't a fluke or it only happened because Jackson was at the end of the line in his career. How many others have done that? Certainly not anyone who has been named so far, and that has significance.

No, it doesnt. Bums had similiar wins. Just because youre not a bum doesnt magically make it a good win.

The way youre talking is like saying the win over Jackson was good for Jeffries, but not for 1-1 bum Jim Jeffords. ridiculous.

[JAB5239]

No, it doesnt. Bums had similiar wins. Just because youre not a bum doesnt magically make it a good win.

The way youre talking is like saying the win over Jackson was good for Jeffries, but not for 1-1 bum Jim Jeffords. ridiculous.

No, what I said is it has significance. For a guy with only 8 fights to beat an aging great who "displayed some of that old time cleverness" is a much better win than beating another guy with only 8 fights. That Jackson was past his best is no fault of Jeffries. That was my whole point which was directed to Ruben after he called it meaningless. I have never tried to make it sound like a career defining win.

[Steak]

No, what I said is it has significance. For a guy with only 8 fights to beat an aging great who "displayed some of that old time cleverness" is a much better win than beating another guy with only 8 fights. That Jackson was past his best is no fault of Jeffries. That was my whole point which was directed to Ruben after he called it meaningless. I have never tried to make it sound like a career defining win.

it is meaningless. its not a good win at all. its not a 'decent' win as you called it. theres no point in even bringing it up its such an insignificant win, unless were going to count wins over journeymen as 'good'. end of.

[raf727]

definately harry greb

but one guy who doesn't get enough credit for his resume is evander holyfied, that guy fought wars against top competition for years

[JAB5239]

Leon Spinks over Ali in 8 fights
Lemmon over Spinks in 9 fights
Pennington over Griffith in 5 fights
Harris Blake over Tony Canvoneri in 7 fights

You started off saying "I bet not one person here can name me a fighter who fought and beat any alltime great, regardless of age, after 8 fights.".
Then you say "Touch'!! Now find another and tell me how he fared any other time he fought a great."

now theres 4 on the table, most of which were wins by total bums, and youre saying we have to take into account every pro in the history of the sport? what the hell are you talking about?

Jackson wasnt a good win, end of story. I dont care how 'inexperienced' Jeffries was. Jackson was lower than a journeyman at that point. beating up a journeyman or worse at ANY point in your career is not a good win if were actually talking legacy.

its like if I went out and beat up current day Ali or something in my professional debut. cong****! good win for me because Im inexperienced! lets just forget that Ali has a serious medical condition!

come on man. youre just being stubborn at this point.

To get a percentage of how often this happens we have to know or have a rough idea how often this has happened in history, no?

You're saying Jackson was only a journeyman at that point in his career yet Jeffries was little more than a prospect with only 8 fights.

But the whole point, the thing you keep ignoring, is Jackson is considered an all time great. He is on Jeffries resume and Jeff did go on to beat other greats. Should this just be stricken from his resume because Pete was past it? Should there be an asterisk in every record book or every thread discussing great resumes? Should we say Jackson didn't have an all time great career because he lost at the end of it?

You say Im being stubborn. I think you guys are being silly. No matter how you slice it it is impressive for a guy with 8 fights to beat a great fighter like that with so much experience. Was it a great win in the big scheme of things? No. But it has significance.

[Steak]

Listen, I dont kow how much more obvious I can make this.

Jackson at that point in his career was getting knocked out by 1-1 bums. Jeffries beating that 1-1 bum is a more significant win than Jackson.

Would you list a win over a guy that was the level of a 1-1 bum as a decent win?