Greatest Resume of All Time?

[JAB5239]

He also KO'ed Goddard (who fought Jackson to a draw), its just not a good win now matter how you spin it, beating a 37 year old fighter with a seriously damaged lung (damaged 6 years and prior and would go onto kill him shortly after), he hadn't beaten anyone of note in 6 years either and in his fight after he would be KO'ed by 1-1 Jim Jeffords. No credit should be given to him for that, Jackson shouldn't have been fighting anyone at that point.

Saying he deserves NO credit is ridiculous to me. With only 8 fights under his belt there is no way any fight with an all time great should just be written off. Not a great win, but a great name and an important step in career development. When I get home I'll dig up more articles on the fight, but this doesn't make Jackson sound nearly as bad as you make it out to be. To me it just sounds like the passing of the guard from an old great to a young one.

But back to my original post....Jeff fought more all time greats in less fights than any other fighter I can think of. How often do all time greats cross paths over 23 fights? Not very often, and that was my point to begin with.


"Jim Jeffries of Los Angeles easily defeated Peter Jackson in the 3rd round tonight at Woodward's Pavilion. Jackson did not make much of a showing after the 1st round. He displayed some of his old-time cleverness in ducking and jabbing with his left, but could not hit hard enough to stop the rushes of his younger and stronger antagonist. Jeffries showed considerable imrovement in cleverness, using his hands with both judgement and precision. The 2nd round was lively until Peter got a hard swing on the jaw, which sent him down on his back. He arose only to go down again from the same blow and was saved by the bell. Jackson came up looking fairly fresh in the 3rd round, but soon received a hard left on the jaw, which made him run helplessly about the ring. Another blow from Jeffries sent him against the ropes, where he hung unable to lift his hands. Jeffries stepped back awaiting the recovery of his opponent, but Peter was plainly out, the referee stepped between them and declared Jeffries the winner." -The Nebraska State Journal

[StarshipTrooper]

Saying he deserves NO credit is ridiculous to me. With only 8 fights under his belt there is no way any fight with an all time great should just be written off. Not a great win, but a great name and an important step in career development. When I get home I'll dig up more articles on the fight, but this doesn't make Jackson sound nearly as bad as you make it out to be. To me it just sounds like the passing of the guard from an old great to a young one.

But back to my original post....Jeff fought more all time greats in less fights than any other fighter I can think of. How often do all time greats cross paths over 23 fights? Not very often, and that was my point to begin with.


"Jim Jeffries of Los Angeles easily defeated Peter Jackson in the 3rd round tonight at Woodward's Pavilion. Jackson did not make much of a showing after the 1st round. He displayed some of his old-time cleverness in ducking and jabbing with his left, but could not hit hard enough to stop the rushes of his younger and stronger antagonist. Jeffries showed considerable imrovement in cleverness, using his hands with both judgement and precision. The 2nd round was lively until Peter got a hard swing on the jaw, which sent him down on his back. He arose only to go down again from the same blow and was saved by the bell. Jackson came up looking fairly fresh in the 3rd round, but soon received a hard left on the jaw, which made him run helplessly about the ring. Another blow from Jeffries sent him against the ropes, where he hung unable to lift his hands. Jeffries stepped back awaiting the recovery of his opponent, but Peter was plainly out, the referee stepped between them and declared Jeffries the winner." -The Nebraska State Journal

In fairness though this is kind of like Holmes fighting Ali and Marciano wacking Louis. It really isn't the "name" that matters: When you fight them is what matters. To my mind beating a washed up "name" is no different than wacking out your run of the mill tomato can.

Bear in mind also that while it may well of been Jeffries 8th recorded fight it was not uncommon back then for fighters to have quite a few fights that weren't recorded. Records were sketchy from that time period and what shows up on the official record is all too frequently incomplete. It's perfectly possible that Jeffries had any number of fights at that point that were never recorded or had the records lost.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Saying he deserves NO credit is ridiculous to me. With only 8 fights under his belt there is no way any fight with an all time great should just be written off. Not a great win, but a great name and an important step in career development. When I get home I'll dig up more articles on the fight, but this doesn't make Jackson sound nearly as bad as you make it out to be. To me it just sounds like the passing of the guard from an old great to a young one.

But back to my original post....Jeff fought more all time greats in less fights than any other fighter I can think of. How often do all time greats cross paths over 23 fights? Not very often, and that was my point to begin with.


"Jim Jeffries of Los Angeles easily defeated Peter Jackson in the 3rd round tonight at Woodward's Pavilion. Jackson did not make much of a showing after the 1st round. He displayed some of his old-time cleverness in ducking and jabbing with his left, but could not hit hard enough to stop the rushes of his younger and stronger antagonist. Jeffries showed considerable imrovement in cleverness, using his hands with both judgement and precision. The 2nd round was lively until Peter got a hard swing on the jaw, which sent him down on his back. He arose only to go down again from the same blow and was saved by the bell. Jackson came up looking fairly fresh in the 3rd round, but soon received a hard left on the jaw, which made him run helplessly about the ring. Another blow from Jeffries sent him against the ropes, where he hung unable to lift his hands. Jeffries stepped back awaiting the recovery of his opponent, but Peter was plainly out, the referee stepped between them and declared Jeffries the winner." -The Nebraska State Journal

And btw, while I do make it a point of defending Holmes against his many detractors around here you'll never see me giving him any credit at all for the Ali fight. Same thing with Marciano KOing a washed up Louis.

Poet

[JAB5239]

In fairness though this is kind of like Holmes fighting Ali and Marciano wacking Louis. It really isn't the "name" that matters: When you fight them is what matters. To my mind beating a washed up "name" is no different than wacking out your run of the mill tomato can.

Bear in mind also that while it may well of been Jeffries 8th recorded fight it was not uncommon back then for fighters to have quite a few fights that weren't recorded. Records were sketchy from that time period and what shows up on the official record is all too frequently incomplete. It's perfectly possible that Jeffries had any number of fights at that point that were never recorded or had the records lost.

Poet

Find a bunch of fights missing from his resume and I will change my stance. Until then he only has 8 PROVEN fights till that point and I don't think it's anything comparable to the Marciano orb Holmes wins because the already had a ton of experience going into those respective fights. As I've said, I DON'T consider it a great win. But it cannot be dismissed completely either and Jackson is still an all time great name to have on your resume in such a short period of time. I bet not one person here can name me a fighter who fought and beat any alltime great, regardless of age, after 8 fights. It doesn't happen because most guys simply are not good enough or ready to deal with that kind of experience.

[StarshipTrooper]

I bet not one person here can name me a fighter who fought and beat any alltime great, regardless of age, after 8 fights.

Leon Spinks

[JAB5239]

Leon Spinks

Touch'!! Now find another and tell me how he fared any other time he fought a great.

[StarshipTrooper]

Touch'!! Now find another and tell me how he fared any other time he fought a great.

JAB, I pulled Spinks out without having to think about it :hahahaha9:

Poet

[JAB5239]

JAB, I pulled Spinks out without having to think about it :hahahaha9:

Poet

That's good, you got me. But my whole point is there is what a .0000001% of all fighters in history have done it? Looking back on Spinks career that will ALWAYS be his greatest win regardless if Ali was washed up or not. The Jackson win for Jeffries isn't as significant because he himself went on to become great and beat other greats. But the still stands that it is not just something that is insignificant. After only 8 fights it was a good test over an experienced great. That he was past his best shouldn't be held against Jeffries.

[Steak]

who cares if it was his 8th fight. It wasnt a good win period. Jeffries could have been a teenager and it still doesnt add to his legacy.

Its like saying that Johnson deserves credit for beating Jeffries when Jeffries was old out of shape and had been retired for years. just silly.

it wasnt a test if Jackson was journeyman level at that point. or worse.

Its like saying that Tommy Lemmon deserves credit for beating a completely old and shot Fritzie Zivic in his 9th fight.

or what about Mayfield Pennington, who beat a totally old and shot Emile Griffith in his 5th fight. its not a 'good' win at all.

[JAB5239]

who cares if it was his 8th fight. It wasnt a good win period. Jeffries could have been a teenager and it still doesnt add to his legacy.

Its like saying that Johnson deserves credit for beating Jeffries when Jeffries was old out of shape and had been retired for years. just silly.

it wasnt a test if Jackson was journeyman level at that point. or worse.

Its like saying that Tommy Lemmon deserves credit for beating a completely old and shot Fritzie Zivic in his 9th fight.

or what about Mayfield Pennington, who beat a totally old and shot Emile Griffith in his 5th fight. its not a 'good' win at all.

If it is so insignificant why does it happen so rarely? When a fighter only has 8 fights it is most certainly a test. If it wasn't than why would this have been written?

"Jeffries showed considerable imrovement in cleverness, using his hands with both judgement and precision."