Sometimes I Wonder Why Did Roy Ever Waste His Time Fighting Fighters Like.....

[Toney616]

i thought he was still pretty beastly in the gonzalez fight

Tried to watch that fight but I found it tedious. He was still a damn good fighter after Harding, as he showed against Woods and Ruiz

[Vadrigar.]

I agree it was a close fight.

He wasn't the better fighter, he just had the style to give Jones fits.

I don't believe this was a style deterministic match up anyway. More important factor was closeness to their respective primes.

[Toney616]

I don't believe this was a style deterministic match up anyway.

Tarvers style was giving him fits. All fighters have styles which they struggle against.

[Vadrigar.]

Dude, Tarvers defense was giving him fits. Didn't you notice the fact that Jones hardly landed many left hooks? Didn't you notice how Tarver took the half step back and went into his shell to evade the leaping straight rights of Jones?

Tarver was basically using a similar strategy to the one Harding used.

dude?

The fact that Roy pulled out the fight supports my argument.

[Vadrigar.]

Tarvers style was giving him fits. All fighters have styles which they struggle against.

Roy wasn't at his best. I mentioned this before.

[Toney616]

dude?

The fact that Roy pulled out the fight supports my argument.

What arguement is that, that Jones was a better fighter than Tarver? I said he was, but Jones would always struggle against Tarver because of the style match up.

[Toney616]

Roy wasn't at his best. I mentioned this before.

He struggled against Tarver in all three of their fights and even if you go back to his prime he clearly struggled against Harding. Who like Tarver was a tall rangy southpaw with an awkward style

[Vadrigar.]

What arguemant is that, that Jones was a better fighter than Tarver? I said he was, but Jones would always struggle against Tarver because of the style match up.

Where did that? My argument is that Tarver was a better fighter 2004. We can't say if he was a better, period. I don't think this was a style deterministic match up. Roy Jones struggled a lot with Tarver because he wasn't at his best.

I believe you said Tarver the better fighter:

Koed him in two rounds in the second fight

Beat him by wide ud and had him hurt badly during the 10 round (not sure which round exactly)

Tarver was the better fighter

[Toney616]

Where did that? My argument is that Tarver was a better fighter 2004. We can't say if he was a better, period.

I never said Tarver was better period. If they met prime 4 prime I would favour Jones

I don't think this was a style deterministic match up. Roy Jones struggled a lot with Tarver because he wasn't at his best.

Jones is a very left hand dominant fighter, like Toney is a very right hand dominant fighter. Both of those guys will struggle against opponents who neutralise their favoured punches.

If you go back to the Harding fight you see that Harding leans back and goes into his defensive shell, which effectively neutrailses Jones array of left hooks. He was also quite adept at slipping Jones straight rights.

Hence Jones struggled with him.

If you look at the Jones-Tarver fights you see the same thing happening. Jones rarely connects with left hooks. He tries to throw the counter left hook over Tarvers right jab, but he never has much success with it.
Everytime he got ready to throw the straight right, Tarver would take a step back and go into his shell, which kept throwing off Jones timing.

Hence Jones struggled with him

[Vadrigar.]

He struggled against Tarver in all three of their fights and even if you go back to his prime he clearly struggled against Harding. Who like Tarver was a tall rangy southpaw with an awkward style

yeah but he beat Tarver.