Agree Or Disagree, Roy Jones Jr Top 30 ATG?

[Forza]

Hardly top 50 and that is pushing it

[IIIX JACK XIII]

I always say rate fighters on what they did NOT what they coulda, shoulda, woulda done, therefore there is no way in hell roy is top 30.im surprised how many people voted yes. tbh i dont care how good he looked against tomato cans, but overall he has a great resume but not top 30 ATG resume.

[JAB5239]

I always say rate fighters on what they did NOT what they coulda, shoulda, woulda done, therefore there is no way in hell roy is top 30.im surprised how many people voted yes. tbh i dont care how good he looked against tomato cans, but overall he has a great resume but not top 30 ATG resume.

This is how I also look at it.

[The Surgeon]

Roy Jones had near Super Natural Gifts in the ring, that speed was Truely blinding - he was the best fighter ive ever seen in my lifetime! Based on ability he sails into the top 30 ATG's, i mean i cannot in all honesty say there are 30 fighters who'd handle a Prime Roy Jones Jnr.

But like its been mentioned we cant rank fighters this way and in all of history id struggle to find a top 30 spot for him, mabey tho at the bottom end - he had a very good resume and his record shows how talented he was. But i think a top 40 spot is easier to claim

[Terry A]

Diversity

Roy Jones had near Super Natural Gifts in the ring, that speed was Truely blinding - he was the best fighter ive ever seen in my lifetime! Based on ability he sails into the top 30 ATG's, i mean i cannot in all honesty say there are 30 fighters who'd handle a Prime Roy Jones Jnr.

But like its been mentioned we cant rank fighters this way and in all of history id struggle to find a top 30 spot for him, mabey tho at the bottom end - he had a very good resume and his record shows how talented he was. But i think a top 40 spot is easier to claim

You bring up a good point Surgeon.

Most everybody will have men like Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong, Benny leonard, etc in their top 10. After that, with so many great fighters to choose from, it starts to differ and get murkier as the list fills up. Why? I think it's because we all have certain criteria that we judge fighters on. What I may like in a fighter, someone else may prefer another trait in a fighter.

For example, I've always had an infatuation with heavy hitters. The harder they hit, the more I liked them. Someone else may prefer a more conventional style of boxer-puncher, while others may like classic boxers.

And I think that at some point, our own personal preferences in fighters will come out as we rate or rank who's who. I feel good about Roy Jones being in my top 30. Someone else may have him in their top 20. Still others may not have him in their top 50. It's all speculative anyway.

Most of the guys who post in the History section know boxing. Not everybody, but most of us do. And since we'll all have different lists of top whatever number of fighters, it goes to prove one thing.

Great minds do NOT always think alike!

[BattlingNelson]

you sir are asking the right questing and going about this in the right way



30 men have done more

at least 30



edit: i thought i was in nsb for some reason.... the bruins won the cup last night, so i'm not the clearest right now.


it think everybody here agrees that jones really isn't in the top 30 in terms of his accomplishments
to win his "world title" at h - dub he beat john ruiz..


he's certainly in the top 30 in terms of talent, though

^^^^This I agree on. Talent-wise Jones is likely top 10, but the names missing from his record pulls him down. It shouldn't be that big a problem finding 30 guys with a better resumé. Not that I could be arsed though.

[IronDanHamza]

Anything lower than the Top 50 I can't agree with for Roy.

Roy was an excpetional talent and he did fight a whole heap of Top competition across 4 weight classes, which in itself is phenominal.

Include names like Toney and Hopkins who are both exceptional fighters in their own right to that.

TerryA makes a very good point that when you get past 20, you start ranking fighters on preferance at times. Which is why none of us will EVER have the same list.

For example, I will never have a list with Ali infront of Louis, personally. I do feel Louis is greater than Ali but considering I love Joe Louis and despise Muhammad Ali that might have something to do with the fact I believe Louis is greater. You know?

Anyway, Roy, for me, isn't a Top 30 ATG. I would have him somewhere in the Top 40, personally.

[jjbj2]

Top 70 since we are talking All Time Great and boxers of other weight classes are accepted.

[SCtrojansbaby]

He is saying Jones fought an overall better array of fighters than Spinks. Of course he will never back this up, just like he doesn't back anything else up, because he can't.

LOL you can't be serious thinking Spinks fought better competition then Roy.

Its not even fair to compare them Roy had twice as many fights obviously he is going to have fought WAY better competition.

[Steak]

LOL you can't be serious thinking Spinks fought better competition then Roy.

Its not even fair to compare them Roy had twice as many fights obviously he is going to have fought WAY better competition.

Larry Holmes was better than anyone Roy fought.
and Dwight Qawi was better than any LHW Roy fought.

Im not necessarily saying that Spinks>Roy p4p, but come on.