Shane Mosley Vs prenell Whitaker

[IronDanHamza]

Edwin Valero the hardest puncher at LW of all time?



I have decided that you are on a wind up.

You genuinely cannot be serious.

[New England]

Edwin Valero the hardest puncher at LW of all time?



I have decided that you are on a wind up.

You genuinely cannot be serious.

that's seriously what i'm thinking

he's so consistently wrong he could make money betting on fighters he thinks are going to lose.

he'd retire young and drive a jaguar




and i was huge on valero, too
i thought he had the stuff

but it didn't have much if anything to do with pure punching power.

[SCtrojansbaby]

if that's all they had going for their historic punching resume's

then yes, they wouldn't be great punchers

if that's all their ledgers contained there would be many men who had done much more in terms of punching at their respective weights who would be considered greater

but then you go through their records
and actually watch them fight
and see that it's not the case




lets switch gears, here
why do you think valero should be so highly regarded in historic terms as a LW puncher?

what has he done?

knocked out urbano antillon in the gym?
beat erik morales in the gym?
stop a bunch of guys in round 1?

so did shannon the cannon
and tyrone brunson



what do you base your ranking of valero on, sctrojansbaby?
o where o where did his legendary LW punching reputation come from?
the guy only fought 70 rounds as a pro
and less than 20 were at the full LW limit...

you're calling him the GOAT puncher at LW based on this body of work?

or are you saying:
"the power i saw when valero punched is greater than any LW i've seen with my eyes."

both are bogus assortments in my eyes
absolutely bogus

think about the tenure of the LW division
it;s been around as long as men have been boxing



why are you so unwilling to learn is what i really want to know
you don't listen to anybody but your own wild self
and you're almost always flat out wrong

LOL so if Hearns had stopped boxing after beating Mike Colbert he wouldn't have been a great puncher? Did he all of a sudden start punching hard when he fought Pipino Cueves?

Watch the fights look at the results and its obvious Valero's power THAT great.

[New England]

[I][B]LOL so if Hearns had stopped boxing after beating Mike Colbert he wouldn't have been a great puncher? Did he all of a sudden start punching hard when he fought Pipino Cueves?

Watch the fights look at the results and its obvious Valero's power THAT great.

that's not at all what i'm saying


i'm saying that valero did next to nothing at LW
next to nothing
not nearly enough to even begin to carve out that sort of reputation

to be considered the best puncher of all time at LW you have to ... you know... do something at LW.


and i couldn't disagree more about valero's punching power. especially at LW. scrap the resume for this point. i'm talking about watching the guy and the damage he's able to do to the man he's fighting
he was not the best puncher of all time at LW
not even close. just look at his fight with demarco, which, like it or not, was his biggest fight at LW and his hardest fight.
if he's the GOAT puncher at LW demarco has a superhuman chin (which he does not)
valero landed big punches on him all night, and the effect didn't really start to show up until demarco started to double over a bit in his corner between some of the rounds late in the fight

i don't need you to tell me to watch fights of valero's
like i said, he was a guy i was very high on the guy. i thought he had the goods because he was a subtle boxer. like many other people in the boxing world i thought his power was well overrated. you take it to a new level, though

[SCtrojansbaby]

not even close. just look at his fight with demarco, which, like it or not, was his biggest fight at LW and his hardest fight.
if he's the GOAT puncher at LW demarco has a superhuman chin (which he does not)

LOL yeah and Valero stopped him what more can you ask for?

And again Valero had a HUGE cut on his forehead which clearly slowed him down some

[JAB5239]

LOL yeah and Valero stopped him what more can you ask for?

And again Valero had a HUGE cut on his forehead which clearly slowed him down some

If Valero is the greatest puncher ever at 135, than LaMar Clark, at 43-3 (42) is the greatest heavyweight puncher ever. I mean since level of opposition doesn't matter this only stands to reason, right?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Jab to be fair. I dont think that just because Valeo KO'd bums means that they all had glass beards. I think the kid genuinely could crack.....

With that said......

Umm yeah. Saying valero is the hardest hitter at arguably boxings deepest division is just silly.

[talip bin osman]

At light weight prime for prime

shane will be eating a steady dose of jab all night long man... and pea had an excellent jab that is very very accurate...

i know itvwasnt at 135 but if you watch his bouts with winky and vernon, shane was very prone to this type of punch...

pea wont KO him but i feel it will be a very convincing UD for him over shane...

[JAB5239]

Jab to be fair. I dont think that just because Valeo KO'd bums means that they all had glass beards. I think the kid genuinely could crack.....

With that said......

Umm yeah. Saying valero is the hardest hitter at arguably boxings deepest division is just silly.

Im not saying he couldn't hit, he obviously could. But he was a guy who was carefully brought up and matched, and never against anyone truly threatening. Anyone can ko a guy who can't fight back, but Valero never proved he was the huge puncher some would have us believe by fighting guys who weren't a level below him, but in an even level and higher.

[talip bin osman]

Im not saying he couldn't hit, he obviously could. But he was a guy who was carefully brought up and matched, and never against anyone truly threatening. Anyone can ko a guy who can't fight back, but Valero never proved he was the huge puncher some would have us believe by fighting guys who weren't a level below him, but in an even level and higher.

he was slowly getting there until the tragic sequences of his life began rolling... the potential fight with jorge barrios would have been great, maybe a scuffle with katsidis would rival gatti-ward...

anyway i think he was the john mugabi of this era...