Tyson's Talents Are Way Overrated

[BmoreBrawler]

ahahahaaha. so his defense ****** and his ability to cut off the ring also?and his ability to go either southpaw or orthodox and have almost equal power?

Dont you understand that as Tyson's speed declined so did everything else? Why did his Defense suck after he got slow? Why did his ability to switch styles become irrelevant once he lost his ablity to rush guys? Everything was based on the speed, and without that Tyson was basically nothing, just a short, strong jeremy bates-style guy.

When Tyson DID have his speed, he could have beaten anyone ever in boxing.

[Verstyle]

Dont you understand that as Tyson's speed declined so did everything else? Why did his Defense suck after he got slow? Why did his ability to switch styles become irrelevant once he lost his ablity to rush guys? Everything was based on the speed, and without that Tyson was basically nothing, just a short, strong jeremy bates-style guy.

When Tyson DID have his speed, he could have beaten anyone ever in boxing.

he defense ****** cause he tried jus rushing guys with 1 hitter quiters,and he didnt lose his ability to rush guys he jus stopped doing it cause he was looking for the big shot.if u look at his sparring and him hitting the mitts in his late 30s u can still see the speed there.

[BmoreBrawler]

Punch speed, yes, but not enough leg speed to make the peekaboo style effective. He couldnt move and was forced to catch jabs instead of slip them and use the hook.

[Verstyle]

Punch speed, yes, but not enough leg speed to make the peekaboo style effective. He couldnt move and was forced to catch jabs instead of slip them and use the hook.

ok i'll give u that 1

[The Noose]

Im not sure Tysons decline was about his speed.

IMO it was more about his style or technique. The way he would set up his attacks. Against Bruno, his first fight without Rooney, he made the big mistake alot of KO fighters do. He believed he could KO him with one shot. And didnt use his jab properly.

At his best Tyson wouldnt stand in front of his opponents, he would hardly ever be static. He would move forward, moving his head and wait for his opponents to throw a jab, thats wen Tyson would strike. Maybe with his own jab or right hand.

Tyson stopped doing that wen Rooney left. He was very poor against Ruddock in their rematch. Before he went to prison.

[BmoreBrawler]

good points, although i would argue that those mean that either tyson CHOSE to not use his speed and eventually lost it, or he just didnt have it anymore. I would say that before prison he began to lose his style, though after prison he had to weight lift and for other reasons too lost his speed.

[Verstyle]

good points, although i would argue that those mean that either tyson CHOSE to not use his speed and eventually lost it, or he just didnt have it anymore. I would say that before prison he began to lose his style, though after prison he had to weight lift and for other reasons too lost his speed.

reason why i dont lift weights,along with me not wanting to look all huge. i have very fast hands for my size and i wanna keep it like that without gaining more muscle

[Abe Attell]

liston should be in front of tyson...

you gotta think about how easily tyson was defeated and how he ducked foreman etc and place his ass at 8

But when was he defeated and WHY?

It's about knowing the details that makes you smart.



Imagine if I were to say, "Tyson beat Holmes easily, so Larry Holmes sucks because Tyson was beaten easily"
or
"Holmes beat Ali with no trouble, but since Holmes lost to Tyson (who was beaten easily, they all suck"

[Abe Attell]

Without speed, everything tyson did besides the left hook was garbage. when he had unparallelled speed early in his career he could have beaten anyone. A slow tyson has too many physical and mental deficiencies to overcome.

WTF kind of **** is that...Well without Power what would Foreman be...without Speed what would Carl Lewis be?...without intelligence what would Einstein be...without agility what would Willie Pepe be...get my point?

You can't cancel out a "natural" ability like that

Tyson still had incredible accuracy in his prime, and that takes loads of work, so how is that "Garbage"?
His jab is also very underrated...just because he didn't throw it the same amount of Ali and Holmes, doesn't mean his jab didn't work.

[Abe Attell]

Punch speed, yes, but not enough leg speed to make the peekaboo style effective. He couldnt move and was forced to catch jabs instead of slip them and use the hook.

If Tyson used the exact "peek-a-boo" style that Floyd and Jose used he wouldn't have used his legs like he did, he would just plot...Tyson used the peek-a-boo better than they did because he improved it based on his own natural abilities, one being his abilty to move quickly with his feet to make up the difference.