Tyson's Talents Are Way Overrated

[Kid Achilles]

Very touched up-ey in my opinion. Clearly a photoshop, and not even a good one.

[Cutthroat]

What the hell are you talking about? People did not have worse chins back then. A fighters chin is purely genetic and has nothing to do with strength or musculature. The modern athlete with weight training is not going to take a better punch than a version of said athlete who fought in the 50's, at a more natural weight, who didn't use modern strength training methods. That is one of the more ludicrous things I've heard on this forum and that's really saying something.

You're going to have a better chin if you take a punch from a 6'2 250lb monster than if you were to get hit back then by a 200lb guy. A fighter's chin is purely genetic? So you're saying that if James Toney NEVER fought in his life (He does have a great chin since he's never been Ko'd before), and just suddenly decided to fight classess below his weight like the welterweight champion of the world that he wouldn't get knocked out by one punch? Bull.

[Cutthroat]

Very touched up-ey in my opinion. Clearly a photoshop, and not even a good one.

That was an exaggeration lol, I just wanted find a pic. of a big guy now days and how they looked then.


Here, this one is real:

[Kid Achilles]

You're going to have a better chin if you take a punch from a 6'2 250lb monster than if you were to get hit back then by a 200lb guy. A fighter's chin is purely genetic? So you're saying that if James Toney NEVER fought in his life (He does have a great chin since he's never been Ko'd before), and just suddenly decided to fight classess below his weight like the welterweight champion of the world that he wouldn't get knocked out by one punch? Bull.

Please rephrase what I put in bold, as I don't think I can understand what you meant to say. Toney's chin is what it would be if he never boxed if that's what your asking.. A fighter's chin is a result of their bone structure, and the viscosity of the fluid surrounding their brain. Of course a hypothetical unskilled Toney would get the **** beaten out of him if he tried fighting a world champion with no prior boxing experience, but that has nothing to do with his chin.

[Kid Achilles]

Also as to what you are saying about 250 pound fighters and whatnot, guys in the 200-220 pound range hit harder and more explosively than the heavier but slower men. The huge guys just can't get all of their weight into their punches like the smaller heavyweights can. Remember, Foreman, Tyson, and Shavers were all in the 210-220 range.

I'd rather get hit barefisted by 270 pound Jameel McCline than a 190-200 lb powerhouse Dempsey or Louis or a 220 pound Tyson.

[Abe Attell]

You're going to have a better chin if you take a punch from a 6'2 250lb monster than if you were to get hit back then by a 200lb guy. A fighter's chin is purely genetic? So you're saying that if James Toney NEVER fought in his life (He does have a great chin since he's never been Ko'd before), and just suddenly decided to fight classess below his weight like the welterweight champion of the world that he wouldn't get knocked out by one punch? Bull.

Foreman was 220+ in his prime and I bet he could hit harder than Jameel McCline and Shannon Briggs. Just look at the Russian Valuev, the guy doesn't seem to hit as hard as Lennox, Wlad, Tyson, etc.

A "Chin" is part genetic and part getting used to taking punches...if you don't have a "chin" you are probably not going to go to far as a fighter...certain things you are just born with, and like I said before "F" these steroid frauds.

[Abe Attell]

Also as to what you are saying about 250 pound fighters and whatnot, guys in the 200-220 pound range hit harder and more explosively than the heavier but slower men. The huge guys just can't get all of their weight into their punches like the smaller heavyweights can. Remember, Foreman, Tyson, and Shavers were all in the 210-220 range.

I'd rather get hit barefisted by 270 pound Jameel McCline than a 190-200 lb powerhouse Dempsey or Louis or a 220 pound Tyson.

yup...the fact is, humans can only get so big before it hurts their performance

[The Noose]

You're going to have a better chin if you take a punch from a 6'2 250lb monster than if you were to get hit back then by a 200lb guy. A fighter's chin is purely genetic? So you're saying that if James Toney NEVER fought in his life (He does have a great chin since he's never been Ko'd before), and just suddenly decided to fight classess below his weight like the welterweight champion of the world that he wouldn't get knocked out by one punch? Bull.

U said Marciano was overrated because his opponents werent as big as they are now. Therefore he looked more impressive that he was.

But he still fought men bigger than himself, as Tyson did. If u say that he couldnt handle the heavies of today because they are bigger and stronger now, then u are saying that Louis, Dempsey etc are ALL overrated.

As for chins, bigger size doesnt equal better chins. Marciano had a great chin, and he was smaller than most of his opponents.

[Verstyle]

He did turn lefty quite a bit, but some fighters who gave Tyson trouble, or at least frustrated him were guys who moved and knew wen to clinch.
People like Tillis, and Thomas, gave him movement and clinched at the right time.
They used their jab to break his rhythm. And his attacks became less aggresive and his energy level seemed to drop off.

But i think alot of it was Tyson becoming a bit bored, and losing focus. Against Thomas in the last round he burst into life and KO'd him.

I think Ali could take his body shots as did most of Tysons opponents, and his chin was good enough to not get KO'd.
But id like to see if Ali could land enough without being countered. I think he could.

i think vs.bonecrusher smith is the best 1,he did it perfect,he jus didnt punch

[micky_knox]

tyson was awesome and deserves to be rememberd as one of the greatest of all time.........