Tyson's Talents Are Way Overrated

[Dye]

Heres a good vid on Earnie Shavers dishing out tremendous power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F-_wMveVig

cool video thanks

[The Noose]

Is there a difference between who hit harder and who had the more powerful punch?
Like i said before, Tyson didnt hit as hard as Foreman, Shavers etc, but he KO'd opponents with speed and timing.

IMO Tyson and Joe Louis are the best heavywieght punchers. Meaning their technique was excellent.

[catskills23]

wald klischko is 1100psi
joe frazier is 850psi
joe louis is 980psi
earnie shavers is 1600psi+

those are figures you got off ring magazine who tested them but i dont recall them testing tysons punching power

[Zigga]

Tyson was amazing when he was trained by cus and teddy and rooney, during this time he was one of the greatest no dout, threw lots of viciuos combos, excellent head movement even fought south paw sometimes.

Afeter prison he was never the graestest. I felt he always looked for the big shots too much and stopped moving his head like he used to. Didnt work the jab as much either. All round skills were not jaw dropping like they used to be.

When people talk about tysons heart every one has there own subjective interpretation of what heart is. My interpretation of heart describes tyson as not realy having one. Sure he took beatings but he never came back from one. Whenever it got tuff sure he hung in there a while but never came strong after punishment. Also imo Tyson was not the hardest hitter of all time.

[BmoreBrawler]

I dont see anyone in boxing history beating Tyson in his prime, besides Ali if he somehow stayed out of the corner. How do you beat a man who can punch through any block or parry and render defense meaningless?

[Heckler]

I dont see anyone in boxing history beating Tyson in his prime, besides Ali if he somehow stayed out of the corner. How do you beat a man who can punch through any block or parry and render defense meaningless?

You neutralise him in the clinches? You move laterally thus removing the oppurtunity for him to get his feet set? keep him turning? Foreman could punch through defences more sucessfully than Tyson ever did or could. So as soon as Ali get's trapped in a corner its over? ROFL... Ali is a master at neutralizing and minimizing the damage an attack inflicts whilst on the ropes.

[Verstyle]

You neutralise him in the clinches? You move laterally thus removing the oppurtunity for him to get his feet set? keep him turning? Foreman could punch through defences more sucessfully than Tyson ever did or could. So as soon as Ali get's trapped in a corner its over? ROFL... Ali is a master at neutralizing and minimizing the damage an attack inflicts whilst on the ropes.

thats sounds good buuuuuuuuuuut when ever ppl do that to me i jus turn south paw and pop him,i have seen tyson do this also in the tyrell biggs fight

[Abe Attell]

Marciano CAN hit harder than Tyson. He was one of the most intense punchers of all-time. His right on Walcott in their first fight is one of the most brutal things ever caught on tape.

He doesn't hit the hardest, agreed: I would say Shavers, Foreman, to name a small few, hit harder...even Tyson mentioned in an interview he thought Shavers and Foreman hit harder.
For MARCIANO, IN MY OPINION, HE DOES NOT HIT AS HARD AS TYSON...THAT GUY IS OVERRATED BY ITALIANS AND OTHER WHITES: he had great power for his weight, but it was not on the level of the top Heavyweights...it was great for a light-heavyweight/crusierweight which he really was. He fought lightheavyweights and cruiserweights, though he was on this level so I don't blame him.
Oh, I am of partial Italian decent so "F" off if you want to call me a racist, I am just being honest.
His one punch KO is as overrated as Tyson's, except Tyson's one punch was harder. I would say that Marciano was more of a accumulation power puncher, and for Tyson, his punch was more for stunning you with one punch.
Both fighters are not on the level of Foreman.

Tyson's chin was great, if it wasn't, he would of been knocked out a lot faster the way he fought after leaving Rooney. For him not getting back up to win after being knocked down, just furthers what I stated: it was his ability to absorb incredible amounts of punishment, refusing to go down, espeically fro flash knockdowns which he only suffered once against Holyfield which was more from being off balance...by the time you knocked him down, he usually took so much punishment, so many punches right on the chin, that there is no way you can come back.


For his speed: a 220lb fighter, he was the fastest in my opinion, especially for Power Punchers. Ali was probably faster, but weighed less, and didn't throw for power...if you know anything about boxing, you can throw faster when you throw flurries instead of throwing bombs.

The one big negative: I will use a quote from SportsCentury documentary...sorry if I don't know the guys name, but this was his quote, "Tyson was only as good as the program you put in him".

[Abe Attell]

Why insist on being ignorant?

You dont know if he hit harder, there is no way to tell.

If I had to bet, I would say Tyson could hit harder because he was 30 lbs heavier in his prime (215 lbs) as opposed to the 185 lbs of Marciano.

However, I am not going to say something as definate as "Tyson could hit harder than Rocky" because that would be ignorant and arrogant...there is simply no way to know for sure.

However, you seem to have no problem talking in absolutes. Unfortunately, you are only making yourself look dumb. Either you are really such an egotistical prick, or you are trying to incite arguments (which has happened, judging by the language being thrown around in this thread).

but you can take an educated guess: take Tommy Hearns for example, one of the biggest punchers in his division, yet how many would argue he hit harder than Holyfield?
Holfield may not be the biggest puncher as a heavyweight, but in my opinion, and hopefully others, I lean towards Holyfield on this one for power

[Abe Attell]

Ali would have destroyed Tyson. No questions asked. Not only would Ali dance circles around him, landing furious combinations, but he would probably stop Tyson late. Either by the ref, or by Tyson quitting, when he hits Ali with his best shot and Ali just keeps dancing. Tyson was awesome. But the truth is, he is no Muhammad Ali, and would be beaten by alot of fighters.

Tyson without Rooney, and especially D'Amato, agree, but mostly after his prison sentence...even after his loss with Douglas he did get back into decent shape and have a bit of his old head movement back, though not nearly as good. After prison, I don't know what that was.

I will say he stood a chance against Ali for these reasons:
Tyson, though perceived to be weak mentally, was not so with Rooney and D'Amato in his head. D'Amato would of told him to ignore the bull**** out of Ali's mouth, and Tyson would of listened. D'Amato always claimed he knew how to beat Ali, he just needed the fighter to do so. Tyson had the ability to throw fast, sharp, powerfull, combinations, while sprinting forward, and with Ali moving backwards with his hands down, it would be more in Tyson's favor for this action.
I remember watching the show "Duke it Out" with Ali and D'Amato and Ali asked D'Amato something on the lines of "how in the world is Frazier going to beat me"...of course this was no longer the same Ali that beat Liston, but D'Amato showed
him (Ali) how he could be stopped...pretty funny since D'Amato looked very fast, especially for an old guy, with Ali responding, "Frazier don't move that fast"

The worst fighter would of probably been Foreman...Ali was the other problematic opponent for Tyson in a fantasy matchup, but I have a little more confidence in Tyson winning against Ali than someone like a prime Foreman. People like to talk about Foreman's big, wide, hooks that came from South America, but it would be his uppercut that would of probably been his best weapon against Tyson.