Who do you have as you No3 HW and why?

[studentofthegam]

Example of change? Who talked about 'change'? Of course he changed his style.....

You said Chuvalo isn't a good measuring stick.

My response was "As opposed to Micheal Moorer?"

@ Way to own myself. Ooooook.





It's possible.

But In this situation? No, it's wrong.

You might take that. That being said you think Julio Cesar Chavez fights like Carlos Baldomir and Thomas Hearns fights like Paul Williams.

It's completely inaccurate, but to each it's own.

Moorer is a much better measuring stick dum dum. He was losing, went rounds and never got wild. He stayed controlled and waited on his shot which was his gameplan throughout the 90's. Smart fighting is being able to adjust to your skill set and stick to your gameplan. I want you to find one person that agrees that "a smarter fighter doesnt make a better fighter". You dont feel ****** just saying that. Talk about the subject instead of bending the truth on old ****.

No I didnt say that exactly. Now we're gonna tell lies because you got your ass handed to you on this topic.

[Steak]

didnt Liston have a longer reach than Foreman?

and personally, Ill take the stronger, younger, better conditioned Foreman over the one who simply had his emotions in control, since skills wise old Foreman didnt have much improvement.

also, pre Ali Foreman was a fighter that was very much in control, so that doesnt go for much.

[studentofthegam]

didnt Liston have a longer reach than Foreman?

and personally, Ill take the stronger, younger, better conditioned Foreman over the one who simply had his emotions in control, since skills wise old Foreman didnt have much improvement.

also, pre Ali Foreman was a fighter that was very much in control, so that doesnt go for much.

No he wasnt controlled. Watch the clip you put up. He was swinging like a wild man and losing his footing when the fight was stopped. Just so happened he had a willing target. And my old, chubby, smart Foreman would break him down.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah if "brash" means it makes sense and you have no reply.

No no, It just simply means brash.

You're making complete judgements from nothing;

"Length will beat him" , "A good jab and footwork beat him" , "Except Holfield because of his inside game"

And you're completely dismissing how unhumanly strong George Foreman is.

Not to mention that Joe Fraizer has a pretty decent inside game.

A handful of those mentioned have done nothing to suggest they could beat a prime George Foreman. Especially the likes of the Klitschko brothers.

So, to put it simplym "brash" seemed appropriate. But there you go since you needed a breakdown.

LOok at the difference in build between the two. Foreman is much more imposing.

Again, completely wrong.

He hit harder.

That's arguable.

Ali for one, who fought both, feels that Liston hits harder.

He could cover way more distance with his height and reach.

Sonny Liston has a longer reach than George Foreman so that example is dismissed.

Sonny Liston also has a much much better jab than Foreman.

What a whole 3 inchs of height that Foreman has on Liston?! Oh my god!!!

No, not the same. Just say you made a bad comparison and move on.

What? You mean like Foremans controlling distance better than Liston with his longer reach?

Or how about your all time great comparison of Chavez fighting like Baldomir?

Or Hearns and P.Williams?

Like those?

Yeah and Floyd said Augustus was his toughest fight with those two fights with Castillo lingering. Its just respect.

Just respect? Yeah I bet Floyd felt such a need to 'just show respect' to Emmanuel Burton. Get a clue.

Burton gave him a tough fight, that's why he said that.

Foreman said it because it's true. Liston was the only man who ever backed up George Foreman. He admits that.

No doubt Liston was stong but not the "new" HW build and strength by a long shot.

When did the 'new' heavyweight build emerge then?

When it comes to Trinidad the match up was all in favor of BHop. He was defensive and considerably the naturally bigger guy. Tinidad is a free swinger that followed. Atleast I knew he had no chance. You see Winky was defensive also so it made for a tighter fight and a way better match up than Trinidad. Trinidad has always been overrated. He added some good names to his res and road it out. And you're damn right JT is more dangerous. He's faster, bigger and rangier. If he could manage to stay awake we'd be talking where he ranks P4P. Cant teach chin. If you dont think Jt's more dangerous then there is video proof of how a defensive wiz and crafty veteran Hopkins attacked them differently. He opened up against Felix because he felt extremely comfortable.

Tito Trinidad is overrated and Winky Wright is just amazing isn't he?

Taylor is more dangerous than Trinidad? Good lord.

Hopkins-Trinidad and Hopkins-Taylor might be different because he was like 5 years older possibly? Ever think of that?

Get a clue, man.

[Steak]

No he wasnt controlled. Watch the clip you put up. He was swinging like a wild man and losing his footing when the fight was stopped. Just so happened he had a willing target. And my old, chubby, smart Foreman would break him down.

I frankly dont know how youre seeing that. He fought a very controlled for 3 rounds, and when he had his man hurt he finished him after going to the body.

are you suggesting old Foreman would have done better in that situation? I find that very hard to believe.

[Pastrano]

Marciano, no doubt. Holmes' level of competition wasn't as good as Rocky's, all due respect to Larry. People tend to be too down on Rocky's opponents, but Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles were still game and proved that by giving him tough fights. Moore even dropped him. Louis I agree was faded. Holmes didn't beat many HOFers, if any...Norton comes to mind only and Ali, but that fight was a farce. That was not Ali, just a shell of him. Witherspoon was robbed imo in that fight with Holmes and Holmes never fought Tubbs, Page, Pinklon or Coetzee for some reason. Rocky fought everyone while he was active. That goes on my nerves, when they say "Oh, Larry fought EVERYONE, he didnt duck anyone!"

I actually rate Rocky nr.2, behind Joe.

[IronDanHamza]

Moorer is a much better measuring stick dum dum. He was losing, went rounds and never got wild. He stayed controlled and waited on his shot which was his gameplan throughout the 90's. Smart fighting is being able to adjust to your skill set and stick to your gameplan. I want you to find one person that agrees that "a smarter fighter doesnt make a better fighter". You dont feel ****** just saying that. Talk about the subject instead of bending the truth on old ****.

And why is that? Because Moorer is so proven at HW unlike Chuvalo?

A smart fighter doesn't always make a better fighter. Do you rank Joan Guzman over Jake Lamotta?

Bending the truth?!?! You outright compared those fighters and said "they fight alike"

Where is Walt Liquor when you need him? He witnessed the entire fiasco.

No I didnt say that exactly. Now we're gonna tell lies because you got your ass handed to you on this topic.

You didn't compare those fighters and say they fight alike?

Yeah, my ass is getting handed to me.

Yeah, the guy who talks about how George Foreman controlled distance better than Liston with his longer reach is absolutely owning me right now.

[IronDanHamza]

I frankly dont know how youre seeing that. He fought a very controlled for 3 rounds, and when he had his man hurt he finished him after going to the body.

are you suggesting old Foreman would have done better in that situation? I find that very hard to believe.

I find what he says increasingly hard to believe.

Mainly, because most of what he says is utterly absurd and inaccurate.

[studentofthegam]

And why is that? Because Moorer is so proven at HW unlike Chuvalo?

A smart fighter doesn't always make a better fighter. Do you rank Joan Guzman over Jake Lamotta?

Bending the truth?!?! You outright compared those fighters and said "they fight alike"

Where is Walt Liquor when you need him? He witnessed the entire fiasco.



You didn't compare those fighters and say they fight alike?

Yeah, my ass is getting handed to me.

Yeah, the guy who talks about how George Foreman controlled distance better than Liston with his longer reach is absolutely owning me right now.

Where's Walt? I dont need any help because you bs is all in this thread. First of all I said Baldomir and Chavez have similarities which is true and that Floyd would make Chavez look like Baldo. I also said PWill and Hearns have similar builds and never said they fight alike outside of both being lengthy. I was starting to think you were ok with but you are back to being a sidekick I see.

Like the bold: I didnt say that and its just a few posts back. George was terrible at controlling distance which is why he threw himself off balance. Read it again. I said he could cover more distance with his height and reach. 3 inches in height makes a difference in the ground you can cover unless the inches are extra bone in your head. The wonders of language are a MF aint they? Ass Handed. You are like my ex wife. You argue when we agree and get goofy when youre wrong. Maybe another time. Gotta get some sleep.

[IronDanHamza]

Where's Walt? I dont need any help because you bs is all in this thread. First of all I said Baldomir and Chavez have similarities which is true and that Floyd would make Chavez look like Baldo. I also said PWill and Hearns have similar builds and never said they fight alike outside of both being lengthy. I was starting to think you were ok with but you are back to being a sidekick I see.

That's not what you said. But whatever. I won't go out my way to quote you.

Like the bold: I didnt say that and its just a few posts back. George was terrible at controlling distance which is why he threw himself off balance. Read it again. I said he could cover more distance with his height and reach. 3 inches in height makes a difference in the ground you can cover unless the inches are extra bone in your head. The wonders of language are a MF aint they? Ass Handed. You are like my ex wife. You argue when we agree and get goofy when youre wrong. Maybe another time. Gotta get some sleep.

How can he cover more distance with his reach when he has a short reach than Sonny Liston?

I would love to know that.

"Ass handed" Ahhh, the beauty of delusion.

In that case I can only assume you broke up with her for the verbal destruction you suffered to which you believed you "ass handed" them at the end by saying statments that no one agrees with.

@ sidekick.

Yeah get some sleep, NSB is more for you, to be honest.

Good bye.