Am Having My Douts With Lennox Lewis's Greatness...

[IronDanHamza]

Lennox Lewis is a great HW Champion but he's not a Top 10 ATG HW IMO.

Top 15 no doubt. Top 10? I don't think so.

[Joeyzagz]

-I don't give him really no credit for his win over Tyson, I feel Tyson just fighting for a paycheck at that point. Some even say thats his best win, which says something to me.

-Although it may not have been his fault, I would of like to see him fight the best of his era in there prime etc Tyson, Holyfiled, Bowe, Moorer, and even a 94 Foreman to.

-I found he had a lucky escape with Vitali Klitschko. I found Vitali was possibly on his way to doing a upset, only for the cuts. He should of gave Vitali a rematch, but instead retired. Which I found very dissapointing.

Lewis was a dominant HW champion and did leave a legacy at the weight. But I must say I question his some of his greatness. When I look into his resume and losses, and his best wins.

In my OPINION I don't feel he breaks into a top 10 HW ATG list.

I rank Ali, Louis, Johnson, Marciano, Dempsey, Holmes, Foreman, Frazier, Tyson, & Jeffries all higher.

I find it strange how you can criticize Lennox post-35 when Dempsey, Frazier, Jeffries, Tyson and Marciano have 0 decent wins at that age. Why should Lennox give rematches at age 38 when most of the guys on your list were retired or complete rubbish at that point?

As for Ali, Louis, Johnson, Holmes, Foreman: They all have unavenged losses on their record. Lennox defeated everyone on his resume' and fought in the deepest Heavyweight division of all time. He fought back when Americans still cared about the sport, but still late enough to catch the Eastern Euro invasion. Beat the best of both worlds.

-Last Undisputed Champ
-Last true Lineal Champ

I'll give you Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis but its hard to make an argument for anyone else over Lennox.

[BigStereotype]

Many reputable boxing writers and historians share the same opinion of Lennox Lewis. He doesn't belong anywhere near a top 10 ATG HW list. It's a slap in the face to those who are truly great.

There are many on this forum who love Lennox with a passion. You are going to catch some flack for your opinion. You will see that he has such die hard fans who refuse to acknowledge that he could not continue against McCall, as he is blatantly falling side to side and forward into the ref, yet these die hard fans believe he could have continued. That's borderline nuthugger as far as I'm concerned.



That would be like myself, a fan of Tyson, arguing that he could have continued against Douglas. Come on, man.

The ref did him a favor by not allowing him to take more unnecessary punishment, as he was defenseless and was in no position to defend himself.

Listen to the ringside commentator who had a great view states that "Lewis falls forward into the referee, and almost pushed the referee over."

You will not find a legitimate case of any ATG heavies being DEMOLISHED inside of a few short rounds as is the case with Lennox on 2 occasions.

Fireman Jim Flynn was a worldbeater, wasn't he?

[CarlosG815]

Fireman Jim Flynn was a worldbeater, wasn't he?

Once again you show how ignorant you are when it comes to this sport and the career of an ATG like Jack Dempsey.

Note the word "legitimate." As in, legit - knocked cold without controversy. Jack Dempsey is believed by many to have thrown that fight. He was offered more money to lose, and according to his wife at the time, Jack Dempsey threw the fight. What reason would she have to lie about that? She said they needed the extra money so he took a dive.

Looking at the careers of those two men, you really find it hard to believe that in a time where corruption and politics were rampant, that a fighter of Dempsey's caliber would be knocked out in a round by Fireman Jim Flynn? I suppose


Are you also going to bring up how Sonnyboy is the only person to ever have said Dempsey is the greatest heavyweight of all time? Don't you get tired of being ignorant?

[BigStereotype]

Once again you show how ignorant you are when it comes to this sport and the career of an ATG like Jack Dempsey.

Note the word "legitimate." As in, legit - knocked cold without controversy. Jack Dempsey is believed by many to have thrown that fight. He was offered more money to lose, and according to his wife at the time, Jack Dempsey threw the fight. What reason would she have to lie about that? She said they needed the extra money so he took a dive.

Looking at the careers of those two men, you really find it hard to believe that in a time where corruption and politics were rampant, that a fighter of Dempsey's caliber would be knocked out in a round by Fireman Jim Flynn? I suppose I shouldn't be asking you that question, as you are as dense as a lump of elephant ****.

Once again you show your ignorance. It's starting to get embarrassing.

Are you also going to bring up how Sonnyboy is the only person to ever have said Dempsey is the greatest heavyweight of all time? Don't you get tired of being ignorant?

Believed by many but not incontrovertibly so. There are plenty of folks who think he just got caught cold. Now he may have taken a dive, he might not have but he certainly got KO1. And even if you could say without a doubt (you can't), shouldn't cheating count worse for your ATG rating than having a bad night anyway?? And stfu about the quotes, I already acknowledged them. I don't agree. Besides, should YOU make up YOUR mind about YOUR list?

[Barn]

He's not a likeable man.

Not in my opinion.

I agree, don't like him.

[CarlosG815]

I agree, don't like him.

I'm with you guys. He has no class.

[CarlosG815]

Believed by many but not incontrovertibly so. There are plenty of folks who think he just got caught cold. Now he may have taken a dive, he might not have but he certainly got KO1. And even if you could say without a doubt (you can't), shouldn't cheating count worse for your ATG rating than having a bad night anyway?? And stfu about the quotes, I already acknowledged them. I don't agree. Besides, should YOU make up YOUR mind about YOUR list?

Really? Who??? I am anxious to know who the many are. As far as what is documented, most of those involved in the fight say it was fixed, and the manager in charge was later arrested for fixing fights. Dempsey is the only one who never admitted that he took a dive, as he knew that a loss wasn't as hurtful to his career as accepting an offer to lay down. Why admit that you took a dive when nobody cared that you had a loss on your record?

So please educate us all on who believe he got caught cold, and who you know of that was present at the fight. I was so impressed with your knowledge on his standing with regards to a ranking, I am dying to hear your thoughts and wisdom and in depth insight to his fight with Flynn. Please enlighten us all, I am excited to read what you have to say.

And of course you don't agree, you could never agree with a group of people who know something about boxing, you only know how to play "follow the leader" so your list will look identical to most of the guys on this forum.

[Barn]

I'm working on a Jack Dempsey highlight at the moment, I'll hit you guys up when it's done.

[BigStereotype]

Really? Who??? I am anxious to know who the many are. As far as what is documented, most of those involved in the fight say it was fixed, and the manager in charge was later arrested for fixing fights. Dempsey is the only one who never admitted that he took a dive, as he knew that a loss wasn't as hurtful to his career as accepting an offer to lay down. Why admit that you took a dive when nobody cared that you had a loss on your record?

So please educate us all on who believe he got caught cold, and who you know of that was present at the fight. I was so impressed with your knowledge on his standing with regards to a ranking, I am dying to hear your thoughts and wisdom and in depth insight to his fight with Flynn. Please enlighten us all, I am excited to read what you have to say.

And of course you don't agree, you could never agree with a group of people who know something about boxing, you only know how to play "follow the leader" so your list will look identical to most of the guys on this forum.

Lmao says the guy who's only reasoning for Dempsey GOAT is "these guys said so!"