My Personal Prediction of Ali vs. Louis

[Rusty Tromboni]

I see Louis by a points win. Ali didn't have big punching power and did a lot of things wrong. His speed would be offset by Louis' timing. I think Joe wins the war of the counter-punch, and creates openings with combinations on the inside. Far superior body work too.

I can see Louis fooking up Ali of the Liston fights. Even Zora Foley caught Ali with a crisp straight. Maybe there Louis makes it tough.

Ali pre-exile fought absolute dog shyte. But when he came back and fought Frazier he looked mint. I dunno how Louis beats that guy. He didn't have the feet and activity Frazier had.

Ali lacked a punch. But he hit harder than Conn and Godoy. Probably on par with Schmeling and Braddock. And was less predictable than Buddy Baer and Tony Galento.

Louis needs guys to stand in front of him to look good.

[ron davis]

The NYSAC Commission suspended two managers, scolding
them for the way their fighters fought Louis.

"Oh, they want are fighters to stand in front of Louis with their chins sticking out."

Rusty, you're sooo rightttt!

Mike Jacobs, controlled the Boxing Commission and owned Louis.

He, also owned Armstrong, Ambers, Canzoneri, Jenkins, Zivic and ALL THE CHAMPIONS, to fight in MSG. etc.

[Thunderstruck]

I rate Joe Louis second to none in the heavyweight division. He was great in every department, and would be one of the very few (if not the only) heavyweights who could defeat a prime Muhammad Ali.

Muhammad Ali was incredibly fast and could move very well. But Joe Louis had brilliant footwork, and would cut off the ring very effectively against Ali. So Ali would get caught against the ropes by round 5-6 I believe.

On the ropes, there is no way Ali could use the "rope-a-dope" or any other tactic that involves taking a beating. Louis was far to accurate, and had awesome handspeed. If Ali were to be ****** enough to stand against the ropes and take punches, he would get seriously hurt, and possibly stopped. Nobody in the history of heavyweight boxing could finish a hurting foe better than Louis.

Ali would not be able to tire Louis, because Louis always paced himself very well and never wasted any punches.

Joe Louis would be the better boxer and the hardest puncher of the two, and would not let Alis "mind games" get to him.

I see Ali giving Louis trouble early because of his unbelievable speed and great movement, but Louis would take control later though, and secure his win by slowly picking Ali apart.

Joe Louis by close decision.

Watch the first conn fight then tell me about Louis cutting off the ring.It would be the conn fight all over again .67 clay would dance 15 rounds in his sleep.Joe would find himself a step behind most of the fight.Rope a dope was not his game in 67.Louis would be facing a man bigger stronger and way to much speed for him to win.Louis was a puncher but even an old man Ali took the best shots Foreman shavers Lyle Frazier could land on him sitting on the ropes.A young Ali would be even harder to hurt.

[QueensburyRules]

Watch the first conn fight then tell me about Louis cutting off the ring.It would be the conn fight all over again .67 clay would dance 15 rounds in his sleep.Joe would find himself a step behind most of the fight.Rope a dope was not his game in 67.Louis would be facing a man bigger stronger and way to much speed for him to win.Louis was a puncher but even an old man Ali took the best shots Foreman shavers Lyle Frazier could land on him sitting on the ropes.A young Ali would be even harder to hurt.

- -See the first "He can run but he can't hide" Frazier fight.

Remember young Clay debuting the Ali shuffle? Predicted it would revolutionize boxing...NOT!

[Thunderstruck]

- -See the first "He can run but he can't hide" Frazier fight.

Remember young Clay debuting the Ali shuffle? Predicted it would revolutionize boxing...NOT!

The first Frazier fight was was the second or so fight after a four year lay off.We are talking 64-67 clay.Check the rolls of Louis bum of the month club there were a few uninspiring performances.Conn fight proves he did not handle speed or quick footwork everything you mention is pure speculation.Frazier fight has no bearing on this fantasy fight.

[HOUDINI563]

No one handles speed well. The bottom line is that Conn fought Louis twice and was koed both times. Pastor also used quick boxing and footwork on Louis. Guess what he was koed as well. Louis skill level was so off the charts over 15 rounds he would wreck havoc on anyone at some point in the fight. Too skillful, too quick, and one of the most pulverizing punchers in boxing history with both fists.

[Willie Pep 229]

IMO

'66 Clay would outpoint Louis everyday of the week, but never beat him in a fist fight; stick and run, stick and run and wait for three fat men at ringside to tell him he won.

By '72 Ali was a different cat and Louis-Ali then would have been a great fight. Ali's toughness and intangibles would be measured against Louis' constant pressure and crisp punches.

'66 Clay outscores Louis and never makes the Conn error.

'72 Ali-Louis is a pick-um.

I assume we are speaking of the 1938 Louis.

[Rusty Tromboni]

- -See the first "He can run but he can't hide" Frazier fight.

Remember young Clay debuting the Ali shuffle? Predicted it would revolutionize boxing...NOT!

In what way does Louis fight liek Frazier? How can you even begin to compare their footwork, head-movement and workrate?

Armstrong and Frazier, sure. Louis and Frazier nope.


Kinda like when you compared Burley and Gavilan! LOL.

I guess Louis is like Frazier, like White is like Black, Yellow is like Blue... they're all crayons in a box.

[Rusty Tromboni]

IMO

'66 Clay would outpoint Louis everyday of the week, but never beat him in a fist fight; stick and run, stick and run and wait for three fat men at ringside to tell him he won.

By '72 Ali was a different cat and Louis-Ali then would have been a great fight. Ali's toughness and intangibles would be measured against Louis' constant pressure and crisp punches.

'66 Clay outscores Louis and never makes the Conn error.

'72 Ali-Louis is a pick-um.

I assume we are speaking of the 1938 Louis.

Yeah, Liston and Cooper give Clay enough scares that I think he's too raw for Louis. But right before his self-imposed exile, I think he'd ironed out enough of those amateur wrinkles that he escapes with a UD, albeit narrow one.

[QueensburyRules]

The first Frazier fight was was the second or so fight after a four year lay off.We are talking 64-67 clay.Check the rolls of Louis bum of the month club there were a few uninspiring performances.Conn fight proves he did not handle speed or quick footwork everything you mention is pure speculation.Frazier fight has no bearing on this fantasy fight.

- -Heh, Heh, U Johnny one note basing a long career on a single fight!

When did Joe ever get decked by little Sonny Banks or tinier Henry Cooper who arguably KOed Ali.

WhT grade U in?