Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[Barn]

Are you referring to the NSB guys who have decided to join with this thread becasue it's about Pacqiuao or the History section regular's?

Because we know about Barney lol, he's in that list of 25 people I named off the top of my head aswell.

I'm in agreement with pretty much all of your post

Of course the people in NSB.

Barney Ross who's 21 on my list I believe had wins of Jimmy McLarlin and Canzoneri who are Floyd equivalent and people are saying ******ed **** like "He beat ATG Margarito."

[Barn]

Personally, I can't see Manny Pacqiuao beating Floyd Mayweather.

But if Manny were to prove me wrong and win, in impressive fashion. Man, it would be incredible and I agree I would be utterly shocked. Something I haven't been with Manny since he beat Barrera from pillar to post.

So yeah, beating Floyd would really enhance his legacy for me.

I agree it will be if he comes back and has a tune up and looks good or as good as he has then I can't see there being any room for excuses.

I have Floyd winning a UD.

[SBleeder]

LOL what is ******ed is comparing a boxer from the 30s who you have probable only seen highlights of on youtube to a boxer from the year 2011.

Seeing as how fighters from the thirties were a heck of a lot better than the fighters from today, I'd tend to agree with you.

[StarshipTrooper]

LOL what is ******ed is comparing a boxer from the 30s who you have probable only seen highlights of on youtube to a boxer from the year 2011.

What's ******ed is someone who kneejerk assumes that "latest" = "greatest" :geek9:

[Barn]

LOL what is ******ed is comparing a boxer from the 30s who you have probable only seen highlights of on youtube to a boxer from the year 2011.

What's ******ed is you. I'm not being irrational in saying at the moment Pac is around 35 on an ATG list. Yes he is a phenomenal fighter and an ATG there is no dis*****g that but, his achievements don't stack up to other champions.

[SCtrojansbaby]

What's ******ed is you. I'm not being irrational in saying at the moment Pac is around 35 on an ATG list. Yes he is a phenomenal fighter and an ATG there is no dis*****g that but, his achievements don't stack up to other champions.

Well obviously its easy to rack up achievements 4-5x as many fights

[SplitSecond]

Robinson
Greb
Langford
Charles
Armstrong
Moore
Wilde
Monzon
Ali
Louis
Pep
Whitaker
Gans
B.Leonard
R.Leoanrd
Gavilan
Arguello
Fitzsimmons
Griffith
Walker
Jofre
Napoles
Ketchel
Tunney
Mclarnin

That was the first 25 that came to my head that I listed. Who I feel are all greater than Manny Pacqiuao as it stands.

That's without; Duran, Ross, Walcott, and many others.

So yeah, I just can't see it, personally.

can you post the great wins that ranked these guys so high, i dont care much for the older guys or atg lists for that matter

but who did whitaker beat that gets him so high yet pacquiao has no chance ?

not to say i think pacquiao is that high on the atg list, i dont care about atg lists and i do think whitaker should be higher cuz he fought some other considered "atg's", but pacquiao has come a long way too, should'nt be that far behind whitaker should he?, just curious

[JAB5239]

It only takes common sense to realize comparing guys who fought anywhere from 6-12x a year to guys who fights 2 maybe 3 or 4x a year is dumb. if Pacquiao fought 8x a year like Barney Ross he probable would have unified a ton of belts who cares that isn't the sport of boxing and hasn't been for 40 years.

It only takes common sense to realize it was his choice not to fight as many times or unify any divisions. Picking money fights instead of trying to unify is his choice. If you want to be better than the next guy you have to surpass his feats. That is the bottom line. And fighting all the best comp is far more impressive than skipping around 17 divisions picking up paper titles.

[SCtrojansbaby]

It only takes common sense to realize it was his choice not to fight as many times or unify any divisions. Picking money fights instead of trying to unify is his choice. If you want to be better than the next guy you have to surpass his feats. That is the bottom line. And fighting all the best comp is far more impressive than skipping around 17 divisions picking up paper titles.

lol got news for you that is modern boxing NOBODY fights 10x a year like Barney Ross or Sugar Ray Robinson. That is why if you had common sense you would realize that its dumb to compare them.

[Barn]

lol got news for you that is modern boxing NOBODY fights 10x a year like Barney Ross or Sugar Ray Robinson. That is why if you had common sense you would realize that its dumb to compare them.

Why do you always refer to them as "****ty" then.