Is Oscar De la Hoya a top 20 ATG WW?

[crold1]

I had the sig going way further than that, but there's a character limit. So I had to stop at Prescott, even though he's lost.

A lot of people thought Whitaker beat Oscar in that fight, and it was definitely close enough to be debatable. And Chavez is a nice win, but he was definitely past it. If he could have definitely beaten Whitaker, Quartey, or Trinidad, he would have a much better argument here. Not horrible to put him top 20 I guess but there are so many great fighters at welterweight.

No. It's horrible. He wasn't.

[CarlosG815]

I had the sig going way further than that, but there's a character limit. So I had to stop at Prescott, even though he's lost.

A lot of people thought Whitaker beat Oscar in that fight, and it was definitely close enough to be debatable. And Chavez is a nice win, but he was definitely past it. If he could have definitely beaten Whitaker, Quartey, or Trinidad, he would have a much better argument here. Not horrible to put him top 20 I guess but there are so many great fighters at welterweight.

I think that Whitaker, and Quartey were close yet wins for Oscar, much in the same way the fight with Mosley was close, yet a clear win for Oscar.

He did get the L against Trinidad, but again, I think that was a pretty clear win for Oscar and it was not as close as the aforementioned fights were, it was a blatant robbery.

[IronDanHamza]

I'll have to have a play with a list but I doubt he wouldn't figure any higher than the low teens more likely 25 to 30.
Thing to look at was in his era roughly was he the best welter, better than Trinidad and Mosley etc? Even if you say yes its not going to be by a big margin and they don't register on Ruben's list either. Throw in Benetiz, Duran etc and to not even crack the top 30 is no big shame. Thinking h2h I look at fighters like Carlos Palomino who most won't even think about but who I think h2h would give DLH a world of trouble. Ruben's list has a few names on it i'd probably lose or juggle with but as a bench mark it just shows that you are not a DLH hater (and he does get a lot of unwarranted stick) not to have him even top 30 at welter.

Oh I agree, by all means.

I dislike Oscar myself personally. Was never a fan of him.

I personally have him between 15 and 20 but the more I think about it the more I think he could easily be between 20 and 25. But, I would imagine I personally would put him between 15 and 20.

[crold1]

Oh I agree, by all means.

I dislike Oscar myself personally. Was never a fan of him.

I personally have him between 15 and 20 but the more I think about it the more I think he could easily be between 20 and 25. But, I would imagine I personally would put him between 15 and 20.

You're still being generous.

[IronDanHamza]

You're still being generous.

Maybe I am.

I don't have a devised list past #10.

But I personally don't think it's that bad to consider him around the tail end of the teens.

JMO.

[crold1]

Maybe I am.

I don't have a devised list past #10.

But I personally don't think it's that bad to consider him around the tail end of the teens.

JMO.

When you factor in who all rocked it at Welter it is. I don't have him in my top 25. I don't have Cokes either and Cokes belongs before Oscar. Guys like Lloyd Honeyghan, Simon Brown, Buddy McGirt, Marlon Starling....all of them have as much an argument with better, decisive wins in contemporary times alone.

My 11-25: http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-25-w...e-11-25--23408

Top 10: http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-25-w...top-ten--23544

[IronDanHamza]

When you factor in who all rocked it at Welter it is. I don't have him in my top 25. I don't have Cokes either and Cokes belongs before Oscar. Guys like Lloyd Honeyghan, Simon Brown, Buddy McGirt, Marlon Starling....all of them have as much an argument with better, decisive wins in contemporary times alone.

My 11-25: http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-25-w...e-11-25--23408

Top 10: http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-25-w...top-ten--23544

It's just my opinion, bro.

I have read your lists thoroughly on many occasions and have the utmost respect for your opinion.

I just personally would say Oscar is possibly a Top 20 ATG WW.

Is it clear cut? Now I think about it, absolutely not.

But is it up for debate? I think so. Atleast in my opinion it is.

Again, I don't even like Oscar, at all. But, I just personally see him as a possible Top 20 ATG WW. You don't, I'm absolutely fine with that. All I'm saying is it isn't abserd to suggest he might be, in my opinon.

[crold1]

It's just my opinion, bro.

I have read your lists thoroughly on many occasions and have the utmost respect for your opinion.

I just personally would say Oscar is possibly a Top 20 ATG WW.

Is it clear cut? Now I think about it, absolutely not.

But is it up for debate? I think so. Atleast in my opinion it is.

Again, I don't even like Oscar, at all. But, I just personally see him as a possible Top 20 ATG WW. You don't, I'm absolutely fine with that. All I'm saying is it isn't abserd to suggest he might be, in my opinon.

Just supplying opinion back dude. I like boxing.

[CarlosG815]

When you factor in who all rocked it at Welter it is. I don't have him in my top 25. I don't have Cokes either and Cokes belongs before Oscar. Guys like Lloyd Honeyghan, Simon Brown, Buddy McGirt, Marlon Starling....all of them have as much an argument with better, decisive wins in contemporary times alone.

My 11-25: http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-25-w...e-11-25--23408

Top 10: http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-25-w...top-ten--23544

Wow, I haven't seen those names in a long while. Good mentions. Obviously I think Oscar is the greater fighter, but those are some great welterweights who often are forgotten... Or at least I don't see much mention of them too often.

What are your thoughts on Donald Curry, who lost the belt to Honeyghan? Another superb welterweight.

[crold1]

Wow, I haven't seen those names in a long while. Good mentions. Obviously I think Oscar is the greater fighter, but those are some great welterweights who often are forgotten... Or at least I don't see much mention of them too often.

Moochie would have clowned Oscar...if he was on.