Greb biography

[StarshipTrooper]

Vs Randy Turpin 2? OH MY GAWD. He went from slackin' in the 1st fight, put his gameface on in the 2nd fight and GOD DAMN! He trashed him! Beautiful KO.

Here's the weakness of video too: People take the footage of that last round of Turpin II and conclude Robinson had no defense. The truth is, Robinson had been told the fight was going to be stopped after that round because of his cut.....he HAD to eskew defense and go all out for the KO. If he doesn't he loses the fight.

The point being that film CAN be misleading. Just a thought

Poet

[JAB5239]

Welcome back Jab(from this humble Robinson fan )

Thank you my friend, its good to be back!

[$Bullsfam$]

Here's the weakness of video too: People take the footage of that last round of Turpin II and conclude Robinson had no defense. The truth is, Robinson had been told the fight was going to be stopped after that round because of his cut.....he HAD to eskew defense and go all out for the KO. If he doesn't he loses the fight.

The point being that film CAN be misleading. Just a thought

Poet

Yeah I read that in his book actually haha. He was not going to lose to that man twice. Also how he was about to become the Light Heavyweight champion of the world if it wasn't for that frying pan of a ring they were fighting in on that crazy hot day.

Thanks for Langford video Barnburner. Ima check it out now.

[StarshipTrooper]

Yeah I read that in his book actually haha. He was not going to lose to that man twice. Also how he was about to become the Light Heavyweight champion of the world if it wasn't for that frying pan of a ring they were fighting in on that crazy hot day.

Thanks for Langford video Barnburner. Ima check it out now.

It's pretty bad when they have to cart the REF out from heatstroke :chuckle9:

Poet

[JAB5239]

Could you care to break down why Greb and Langford are greater than Ray Robinson?

I have Robinson #1, Langford #2 and Greb #3. I understand why others may have Greb and Langford above him.

But I'm curious on why you have them ahead of him.

Both fought and were dominant over a larger range of weights (able to compete while giving up much in weight and height) and have overall better resumes in my opinion.

Langford simply beat the best fighters from lightweight to heavyweight and was ducked by every champion including Jack Johnson. To top this off he had to carry many fighters to keep getting fights. Its my opinion if he were allowed to fight and make money the same way as the white fighters of his day he would have cut an even wider path through all his divisions and been a champion from at least middleweight through heavy.

As far as Greb goes...He simply beat everyone and has the greatest resume all time. He didn't just win over hall of fame fighters, he dominated them and did so with the lack of true ko power and being blind in one eye for much of his career. He beat most of the best heavyweights of his day easily and was blatantly ducked by Jack Dempsey who chose to fight Greb's leftovers instead of Greb himself after Greb twice thrashed him in sparring.

Im by no means putting down the great Ray Robinson and respect any list with him #1. But after much reading and research I've changed my opinion as I also had SRR at the one spot for as long as I've been following boxing history.

[JAB5239]

Thats all subjective though. Thats just me though. You know how Harold Letterman and Lampley say the craziest things during fights. I like making my own opinion. There definitely great fighters. I just honestly could never rank them #1.

The difference is there was a unified consensus as to Grebs ability as a fighter which is documented by various newspaper account of his many fight and supported by the opinions of the fighters who actually fought him.

[StarshipTrooper]

Does the book tell about how Turpin was arrested on su****ion of **** days before their rematch?

Sucks to be him.....and this has to do with my point that the film gives a misleading impression of Robinson's abilities what exactly? :dunno9:

Poet

[$Bullsfam$]

It's pretty bad when they have to cart the REF out from heatstroke :chuckle9:

Poet

hahaha the ref gots mad heart! Real hard worker. Has too be an exhausting job watching two fighters slug it out for 14 rounds.

I wonder why they never rematched, anybody know why? Imagine if Sugar Ray won that title. Their would have been mad potential for an archie moore fight! I know negotiations broke down for a fight between them anyway prolly because of Robinson but that would have been NASTY!!!

That would have been a crazy fight. How would that have effected Ray Robinson's legacy? Would just the fight alone win or lose propell Robinson past Greb definitively?

[IronDanHamza]

Both fought and were dominant over a larger range of weights (able to compete while giving up much in weight and height) and have overall better resumes in my opinion.

Langford simply beat the best fighters from lightweight to heavyweight and was ducked by every champion including Jack Johnson. To top this off he had to carry many fighters to keep getting fights. Its my opinion if he were allowed to fight and make money the same way as the white fighters of his day he would have cut an even wider path through all his divisions and been a champion from at least middleweight through heavy.

As far as Greb goes...He simply beat everyone and has the greatest resume all time. He didn't just win over hall of fame fighters, he dominated them and did so with the lack of true ko power and being blind in one eye for much of his career. He beat most of the best heavyweights of his day easily and was blatantly ducked by Jack Dempsey who chose to fight Greb's leftovers instead of Greb himself after Greb twice thrashed him in sparring.

Im by no means putting down the great Ray Robinson and respect any list with him #1. But after much reading and research I've changed my opinion as I also had SRR at the one spot for as long as I've been following boxing history.

I respect your opinion and have no quarms with your ranking.

We know Langford didn't get as much opportunity as others and quite frankly didn't get much opportunites at all for a while. But should he fact he was ducked higher his ranking? Personally, I don't think it should. But I guess he did enough for someone to rank him higher than Robinson anyway.

Have no quarms with your view on Greb, his resume is unreal. I switch Greb and Langford around quite often.

[Barn]

There's a lot of "ifs" with Robinson.

Another for example: What if he had faced and beaten Charley Burley?