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Originally posted by Pastrano View PostWhat retort? I already gave you a justification, I don't need no retort. Hagler fought too many second rate guys, even as a champion. Or non-elite guys if you want. Obelmejias, Sibson, Roldan, Scypion, Antuofermo...they were all solid but not elite. Roldan might've been closest to elite. By ELITE I mean absolutely top notch, outstanding and candidates for the HOF.
Not his fault there wasn't anyone amazing in his era.
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Originally posted by Pastrano View PostAnd how was the division in his time? It wasn't really the ultimate best, was it?? Hamsho and Minter are the best names on his resume apart from Hearns. Mugabi was never that good, it was obvious also in his later fights. He just had a big punch and was strong as a gorilla.
also Obelmejas ended up winning a title at 168 years after Hagler beat him twice, Hamsho had wins over Benitez and Czyz(future LHW and Cruiserweight champ), Roldan beat future LHW champ JB Williamson, Duran went on to be MW champ, etc.
so it really wasnt that bad of a division. in fact, people started considering him the best MW ever even in 1982.
and he still had several title defenses to go, and hadnt even fought Duran or Hearns at this point.
also before he won the title he was actually beating guys that were pretty highly ranked in Monzon's era too, such as Mike Colbert, Bennie Briscoe, Loucif Hamani, Bobby Watts, and Willy Monroe.Last edited by Steak; 04-14-2011, 11:55 AM.
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Originally posted by Pastrano View PostWhat retort? I already gave you a justification, I don't need no retort. Hagler fought too many second rate guys, even as a champion. Or non-elite guys if you want. Obelmejias, Sibson, Roldan, Scypion, Antuofermo...they were all solid but not elite. Roldan might've been closest to elite. By ELITE I mean absolutely top notch, outstanding and candidates for the HOF.
You have no credibility with your obvious agenda.
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Originally posted by Pastrano View PostWhat retort? I already gave you a justification, I don't need no retort. Hagler fought too many second rate guys, even as a champion. Or non-elite guys if you want. Obelmejias, Sibson, Roldan, Scypion, Antuofermo...they were all solid but not elite. Roldan might've been closest to elite. By ELITE I mean absolutely top notch, outstanding and candidates for the HOF.
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