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  • #51
    Originally posted by Barnburner View Post
    How about you come up with an intelligent retort instead of just dismissing it?
    What retort? I already gave you a justification, I don't need no retort. Hagler fought too many second rate guys, even as a champion. Or non-elite guys if you want. Obelmejias, Sibson, Roldan, Scypion, Antuofermo...they were all solid but not elite. Roldan might've been closest to elite. By ELITE I mean absolutely top notch, outstanding and candidates for the HOF.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Pastrano View Post
      What retort? I already gave you a justification, I don't need no retort. Hagler fought too many second rate guys, even as a champion. Or non-elite guys if you want. Obelmejias, Sibson, Roldan, Scypion, Antuofermo...they were all solid but not elite. Roldan might've been closest to elite. By ELITE I mean absolutely top notch, outstanding and candidates for the HOF.
      Keyword is "faught" did he duck any Elites, no. Did he defeat all these solid contenders without much trouble: Yes.

      Not his fault there wasn't anyone amazing in his era.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Pastrano View Post
        And how was the division in his time? It wasn't really the ultimate best, was it?? Hamsho and Minter are the best names on his resume apart from Hearns. Mugabi was never that good, it was obvious also in his later fights. He just had a big punch and was strong as a gorilla.
        I wouldnt say it was the best era ever, but it was solid. After they lost Hagler, his opponents wouldnt just evaporate, they still stuck around in the division and got quality enough wins to receive another title shot. Thats why some opponents fought Hagler more than once...they just kept earning their shots.

        also Obelmejas ended up winning a title at 168 years after Hagler beat him twice, Hamsho had wins over Benitez and Czyz(future LHW and Cruiserweight champ), Roldan beat future LHW champ JB Williamson, Duran went on to be MW champ, etc.

        so it really wasnt that bad of a division. in fact, people started considering him the best MW ever even in 1982.

        and he still had several title defenses to go, and hadnt even fought Duran or Hearns at this point.


        also before he won the title he was actually beating guys that were pretty highly ranked in Monzon's era too, such as Mike Colbert, Bennie Briscoe, Loucif Hamani, Bobby Watts, and Willy Monroe.
        Last edited by Steak; 04-14-2011, 11:55 AM.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Pastrano View Post
          What retort? I already gave you a justification, I don't need no retort. Hagler fought too many second rate guys, even as a champion. Or non-elite guys if you want. Obelmejias, Sibson, Roldan, Scypion, Antuofermo...they were all solid but not elite. Roldan might've been closest to elite. By ELITE I mean absolutely top notch, outstanding and candidates for the HOF.
          But Jeff Fenech was an all time great in your mind. Was his career more impressive than Hagler's? You just made a thread today on how great you think Johansson was because he knocked out Eddie Machen and Henry Cooper. And now you want to talk about the so called lack of "elite" and HOF" material opponents for Hagler? You also believe Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore were better heavyweights than Foreman and you rank them higher on your pathetic all time heavyweight rankings..


          You have no credibility with your obvious agenda.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Pastrano View Post
            What retort? I already gave you a justification, I don't need no retort. Hagler fought too many second rate guys, even as a champion. Or non-elite guys if you want. Obelmejias, Sibson, Roldan, Scypion, Antuofermo...they were all solid but not elite. Roldan might've been closest to elite. By ELITE I mean absolutely top notch, outstanding and candidates for the HOF.
            It's called cleaning out your division and dominating it for years. That indicates greatness.

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