Ricardo Lopez and Salvador Sanchez

[IronDanHamza]

Im not sure what you mean. who you beat(and how and when) is essentially all that matters to me in terms of legacy. and although I respect the hell out of Olivares, the guy struggled(and lost) much more than Chavez did most of his career, so if we were taking into account purely in ring performances overall I would still have to favor Chavez.

and Chavez would have definitely gone through Olivares' opponents undefeated...the only one thats a maybe is Arguello.(and personally I doubt that based on Arguello's should be loss against Chavez's sparring partner Ramirez). Chavez was bigger than all the top fighters Olivares beat.
trying to imagine Chavez as a bantamweight size is essentially impossible, you simply cant do it.

Come on, BI. Triangle Theories?

That comparison really doesn't mean much considering Ramirez and Chavez don't fight alike, pretty much at all.

And Arguello-Ramirez was a close fight, anyway. Not like Ramirez dominated.

[pacquia0]

Chavez is the greatest mexican fighter of all time by far. Chavez has the best resume. In his prime he completely dominated elite fighters. Chavez also has the longest unbeaten run in boxing history.

[Steak]

Come on, BI. Triangle Theories?

That comparison really doesn't mean much considering Ramirez and Chavez don't fight alike, pretty much at all.

And Arguello-Ramirez was a close fight, anyway. Not like Ramirez dominated.

triagle theories dont work, no, but seeing as they sparred together on the regular I figure that Chavez's tricks and style would have rubbed off on Ramirez...they certainly werent identical, but imo their defense and general disposition were quite comparable. I just think Chavez would have beaten Arguello, but lets not get super off topic here.
very good fight.

Rose alone is a better single fighter than anyone Chavez bested.

I will have to disagree. do you have any reason to think that? he did beat fighting Harada(nearing the end of his career), but Rose had struggled in a number of his matches before Olivares, most notably against Castillo and Rudkin, and within 4 more months after Olivares he was getting knocked out by journeymen.


not to discredit Olivares' win over him, which was very good, but I dont think it was any better than a Rosario win.

[PunchesNbuncheS]

Chavez? Olivares? Lopez? Sanchez?

Just the fact that were sitting here debating about which of these four is the best Mexican boxer of all brings a smile to my face because it means that Mexico produces some damn good fighters. I've been thinking about it and I can't really decide because I can make an argument for all four of them and that's what makes me feel proud about Mexican boxing.

[TOBYLEE1]

Lopez is the most skilled but Sanchez faced the better opposition, so it is hard to pick.

Chavez had a long victorious career but got tainted at the end.

[IronDanHamza]

triagle theories dont work, no, but seeing as they sparred together on the regular I figure that Chavez's tricks and style would have rubbed off on Ramirez...they certainly werent identical, but imo their defense and general disposition were quite comparable. I just think Chavez would have beaten Arguello, but lets not get super off topic here.
very good fight.

I disagree. Tricks? maybe. Style and defense? Can't see it.

But yeah let's not get off topic We can save the Arguello-Chavez for a rainy day.

[McGrain]

Lopez is the greatest punching technician i've seen at the weight, but his temperament wasn't the best...Sanchez was better defensively and only very slightly behind on offence whilst his temperament was absolutely extraordinary for his age.

Sanchez was more accomplished, Lopez is one of my very favourites, possibly my very favourite to watch in the modern era.

[NChristo]

I hate how Saldivar never gets mentioned in these type of discussions.

He beat Ismael Laguna, Sugar Ramos, Howard Winstone, Johnny Famechon and Jose Legra.

That's a great set of wins for the shortish career add to that his reign / defences and for me put's him above Lopez at least resume wise, if you are going via skill then it's debatable, Saldivar was one of the most skilled southpaws I've ever seen.

[Flo_Raiden]

Bump.
Great discussion anyways guys.

[Steak]

I hate how Saldivar never gets mentioned in these type of discussions.

He beat Ismael Laguna, Sugar Ramos, Howard Winstone, Johnny Famechon and Jose Legra.

That's a great set of wins for the shortish career add to that his reign / defences and for me put's him above Lopez at least resume wise, if you are going via skill then it's debatable, Saldivar was one of the most skilled southpaws I've ever seen.

it is odd that Sadivar is never mentioned among other Mexican greats. he did have a lot of good wins.

probably because hes the oldest and has the least amount of footage available of him.