Top to ATG WW?

[StarshipTrooper]

01. Ray Robinson
02. Henry Armstrong
03. Ray Leonard
04. Kid Gavilan
05. Jose Napoles
06. Barney Ross
07. Jimmy McLarnin
08. Thomas Hearns
09. Emile Griffith
10. Antonio Cervantes
11. Wilfred Benitez
12. Oscar De La Hoya
13. Shane Mosley
14. Felix Trinidad
15. Duilio Loi
16. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
17. Tommy Ryan
18. Luis Rodriguez
19. Carmen Basilio
20. Aaron Pryor

[BigStereotype]

Well, every fool knows he beat Trinidad but was denied the win. He beat Whitaker, Camacho, Chavez, Quartey, Carr and Rivera, prime or not the first 3 are great names. Quartey is a borderline great, Carr and Rivera very good. Trinidad is considered a great.

Leonard's wins over primed Hearns and Benitez (KO wins, nonetheless) waaaaaaaaay outstrip all of those. Whitaker was on the downside, Camacho and Chavez were barely half of what they once were.

[Barn]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Ray Leonard
4. Walcott
5. Jose Napoles
6. Kid Gavilan
7. Griffith
8. McLarlin
9. Ross
10. Britton

[RubenSonny]

Well, every fool knows he beat Trinidad but was denied the win. He beat Whitaker, Camacho, Chavez, Quartey, Carr and Rivera, prime or not the first 3 are great names. Quartey is a borderline great, Carr and Rivera very good. Trinidad is considered a great.

Trinidad is a great welterweight but not a great, Camacho isn't a great and Chavez wasn't at WW and neither were very good at the time, especially Camacho, how good they were at the time is important in calculating a fighters greatness, Whitaker was badly faded and had looked horrible against Hurtado and Quartey had looked horrible against Lopez and hadn't fought in a year and a half, he also didn't beat either of them decisively. Oscar has an excellent WW resume but its just no near to Leonards.

[IronDanHamza]

Well, every fool knows he beat Trinidad but was denied the win. He beat Whitaker, Camacho, Chavez, Quartey, Carr and Rivera, prime or not the first 3 are great names. Quartey is a borderline great, Carr and Rivera very good. Trinidad is considered a great.

I felt Oscar beat Trinidad but I also felt Whitaker beat Oscar so for me they rule each other out.

I'm sorry but beating Quartey, Chavez, Carr, Camacho and Riviera does not even equal beating Duran, Benitez and Hearns.

Also considering the only fighters who were ranked in the top 5 t WW when Oscar beat them were Quartey and Whitaker.

Other than those 3 outstanding WW wins for Leonard he beat Mayweather and Gant who were both considered top 5 fighters at WW when he beat them.

Contemplating Oscar's WW resume to be better than Leonard's is simply unreasonable.

[Pastrano]

Trinidad is a great welterweight but not a great, Camacho isn't a great and Chavez wasn't at WW and neither were very good at the time, especially Camacho, how good they were at the time is important in calculating a fighters greatness, Whitaker was badly faded and had looked horrible against Hurtado and Quartey had looked horrible against Lopez and hadn't fought in a year and a half, he also didn't beat either of them decisively. Oscar has an excellent WW resume but its just no near to Leonards.

I'll only bother replying to this post, as we got guys who rate CERVANTES among the greatest WELTERS ever. Whitaker may have not been what he once was, but he was still a defensive maestro and that doesnt really take being in top shape to keep up. It was his first legitimate loss in the eyes of many, save Whitaker huggers who still claim Whitaker WON.

Camacho didnt look good vs Oscar, thats true. BUT that was because Oscar was damn incredible that night, very few welters of that time woulda done any better. I can see Buddy McGirt doing better for instance. Even he was past it then. Quartey didnt look HORRIBLE against Lopez, its just that Lopez was massively underrated and an excellent boxer with power. Quartey looked his best ever against Oscar. Oscar showed what he was made of that night. I dunno for sure, but I doubt Leonard coulda pulled off the same thing he pulled off. Not against iron chinned Quartey who had good stamina as well.

Chavez had grown into a natural ww by then, doesnt matter that he was still able to make 140, he WAS a legit welter. And he looked much better in that fight, hungrier and more aggressive, than in their first fight. Enuff said. Oscar doesn't get the credit he deserves because so many hate on him, its just sad.

[IMDAZED]

De La Hoya?

Are you ok?

He's not even the best welter of his era.

[Pastrano]

De La Hoya?

Are you ok?

He's not even the best welter of his era.

Then please enlighten me and tell me who is.

[SCtrojansbaby]

LOL this forum never fails to amaze me Trinidad dominated the division for 6 years and isn't top 10 but some *** from the 30s is because some writer from Ring magazine said so. Either that or we have a bunch of 90 year olds on here

[IMDAZED]

Then please enlighten me and tell me who is.

Felix Trinidad, without question.

Unified champ

Defended title 15 times at 147

Was champ for six years