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[RubenSonny]

When there were judges who wouldn't give Pea the 11th, you knew it just wasn't his night before the sun went down.

Don't forget the knockdown when Oscar tried to go southpaw, I forget which round though.

[crold1]

Don't forget the knockdown when Oscar tried to go southpaw, I forget which round though.

Nine, but Pea got the round on all three. That knockdown was mierde...just a tap on an off balance guy. That fight was significant, scoring wise, because it was a catalyst for the WBC not being able to use their ****** ass point deduction for an accidental cut rule anymore. Pea lost a point for a chicken scratch which made the scoring look even worse than it was.

[Pastrano]

Are you dis*****g it wasn't a fight that could have gone either way? Like BigStereotype just greatly put it, the gift was the fact the scorecards showed Whitaker couldn't win the fight that night.

I felt Whitaker won, that's my opinion, one that is clearly one that's open for debate.

Then again it's hard to take your comments seriously considering you think Oscar should be ranked higher at WW than Ray Leonard. Among some other strange comments.

Yes, I AM dis*****g it, coz thats nonsense. Oscar won 115-112. Woulda been 116-112 without the false knockdown, but it was counted as a knockdown. Oscar was just in a bad position and got thumped.

[RubenSonny]

Nine, but Pea got the round on all three. That knockdown was mierde...just a tap on an off balance guy. That fight was significant, scoring wise, because it was a catalyst for the WBC not being able to use their ****** ass point deduction for an accidental cut rule anymore. Pea lost a point for a chicken scratch which made the scoring look even worse than it was.

I did not know about that, thats pretty ridiculous, good stuff Cliff

I mentioned the knockdown because it was credited, in an argument for the fight being in favor of Pea and it not being a clear win for Oscar as that poster has made it out to be, I maintain that Pea won.

[crold1]

I did not know about that rule, thats pretty ridiculous, good stuff Cliff

I mentioned the knockdown because it was credited, in an argument for the fight being in favor of Pea and it not being clear as that poster has made it out to be, I maintain that Pea won.

I should clarify...I meant they can't use it in the U.S. (I think that's universal in the States...this is off the top of my head so I'd have to look it up) That hot garbage (and, really, almost all things WBC are) is still used internationally.

I also thought Pea won and by a good margin. In his fights that counted, I think Oscar may have eeked by Quartey by a point; have scored that one both ways but on first view thought it was Ike which is all that counts. Had Tito beating Oscar by a point and that score has never changed for me. Had Mosley winning 9-3 in their fight at Welter. OScar deserve props for fighting everyone he should have. However, in his prime, at his prime weight (Welter), he proved to be a limited fighter and fell short of genuine greatness. He still goes to the Hall.

I've pretty much said all this before:

http://www.boxingscene.com/measured-...la-hoya--17277



On Pea:

The only two fights Pea outright, no doubt, lost in his career were the last two, and Tito actually was a nice polish to the career as it answered some question that some still had about how tough Pea was.

[RubenSonny]

I should clarify...I meant they can't use it in the U.S. (I think that's universal in the States...this is off the top of my head so I'd have to look it up) That hot garbage (and, really, almost all things WBC are) is still used internationally.

I also thought Pea won and by a good margin. In his fights that counted, I think Oscar may have eeked by Quartey by a point; have scored that one both ways but on first view thought it was Ike which is all that counts. Had Tito beating Oscar by a point and that score has never changed for me. Had Mosley winning 9-3 in their fight at Welter. OScar deserve props for fighting everyone he should have. However, in his prime, at his prime weight (Welter), he proved to be a limited fighter and fell short of genuine greatness. He still goes to the Hall.

I've pretty much said all this before:

http://www.boxingscene.com/measured-...la-hoya--17277



On Pea:

The only two fights Pea outright, no doubt, lost in his career were the last two, and Tito actually was a nice polish to the career as it answered some question that some still had about how tough Pea was.

I thought Trinidad fight was a draw, I had Quartey up by about 3 points but I haven't seen it in a long time, I had the Whitaker fight 115-111 and Mosley clearly won the Oscar fight which was very entertaining, the second one I thought Oscar won but I wasn't as outraged by the decision as some.

Peas career is generally one of the most underrated great great careers I can think of, though certainly not in this section (apart from the odd few). If I had a list and I'm working on one, I think I'd have him above Leonard.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, I AM dis*****g it, coz thats nonsense. Oscar won 115-112. Woulda been 116-112 without the false knockdown, but it was counted as a knockdown. Oscar was just in a bad position and got thumped.

Well there you have it.

Not much more to be said really.

[crold1]

I thought Trinidad fight was a draw, I had Quartey up by about 3 points but I haven't seen it in a long time, I had the Whitaker fight 115-111 and Mosley clearly won the Oscar fight which was very entertaining, the second one I thought Oscar won but I wasn't as outraged by the decision as some.

Peas career is generally one of the most underrated great great careers I can think of, though certainly not in this section (apart from the odd few). If I had a list and I'm working on one, I think I'd have him above Leonard.

I can't put him above Leonard. Almost the same number of fights but Leonard has the four best wins of any fighter in the last? Seriously, I'm not sure anyone since Greb can claim four scalps as great as Benitez-Duran-Hearns-Hagler. Others have greater depth of quality, and far more fights, but Pea isn't really one of them.

[RubenSonny]

I can't put him above Leonard. Almost the same number of fights but Leonard has the four best wins of any fighter in the last? Seriously, I'm not sure anyone since Greb can claim four scalps as great as Benitez-Duran-Hearns-Hagler. Others have greater depth of quality, and far more fights, but Pea isn't really one of them.

Chavez, De La Hoya, Nelson, Vazquez, are Peas big wins which aren't as great as Leonard but I love the rest of Peas resume and for its sick quality and his consistency, I felt, like you, that he was undefeated until Trinidad. I don't think theres a huge amount of difference in their resumes and they are actually pretty similar, some of it is probably down to my bias in who I thought deserfed decisions as I'm a much greater fan of Pea (and Hagler for that fact) than Ray, I didn't personally think he deserved the nod over Hagler (though even if he had officially lost I'd still count it as a big + to his resume).

[Pastrano]

I should clarify...I meant they can't use it in the U.S. (I think that's universal in the States...this is off the top of my head so I'd have to look it up) That hot garbage (and, really, almost all things WBC are) is still used internationally.

I also thought Pea won and by a good margin. In his fights that counted, I think Oscar may have eeked by Quartey by a point; have scored that one both ways but on first view thought it was Ike which is all that counts. Had Tito beating Oscar by a point and that score has never changed for me. Had Mosley winning 9-3 in their fight at Welter. OScar deserve props for fighting everyone he should have. However, in his prime, at his prime weight (Welter), he proved to be a limited fighter and fell short of genuine greatness. He still goes to the Hall.

I've pretty much said all this before:

http://www.boxingscene.com/measured-...la-hoya--17277



On Pea:

The only two fights Pea outright, no doubt, lost in his career were the last two, and Tito actually was a nice polish to the career as it answered some question that some still had about how tough Pea was.

I seriously suggest you should stop watching boxing.