Top to ATG WW?

[bklynboy]

Anybody who says Oscar doesn't belong in the ww top 10 is just a hater and/or a moron. SAD stuff.

I don't think that I'm a hater or a moron and I don't see ODLH in the TOP 10 at WW. I think a case can be made that ODLH isn't in the TOP 3 of the last 30 years. (SRR, Hearns, Whitaker, Trinidad)

I've never made a list so here goes

1. SRR
2. Hank Armstrong
3. SRL

For ODLH to be in the TOP 10 he has to climb over all the men listed below plus some others that have been ranked very high that I know little about (McLarlin, Ted Lewis among others) and others that I haven't mentioned like Fritzie Zivic

Charley Burley
Carmine Bassilio
Barney Ross
Emile Griffith
Jose Napoles
Kid Gavillan
Joe Walcott
Trinidad
Hearns
Whitacker

You can make a case for ODLH. But reasonable people can have him lower down on the list as well.

[CarlosG815]

01. Ray Robinson
02. Henry Armstrong
03. Ray Leonard
04. Kid Gavilan
05. Jose Napoles
06. Barney Ross
07. Jimmy McLarnin
08. Thomas Hearns
09. Emile Griffith
10. Antonio Cervantes
11. Wilfred Benitez
12. Oscar De La Hoya
13. Shane Mosley
14. Felix Trinidad
15. Duilio Loi
16. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
17. Tommy Ryan
18. Luis Rodriguez
19. Carmen Basilio
20. Aaron Pryor

Where is Ted Kid Lewis and why are you ranking Aaron Pryor when he never fought at 147 in his prime and during his "actual" career?? Is this because you do not count the jr ww division so you classify him as a WW?

[Pastrano]

Where is Ted Kid Lewis and why are you ranking Aaron Pryor when he never fought at 147 in his prime and during his "actual" career?? Is this because you do not count the jr ww division so you classify him as a WW?

No, its because he just is a moron, obviously.

[CarlosG815]

No, its because he just is a moron, obviously.

I disagree. Poet knows this sport well that is why I am legitimately shocked that he does not have Ted Kid Lewis on his list.

[StarshipTrooper]

Where is Ted Kid Lewis and why are you ranking Aaron Pryor when he never fought at 147 in his prime and during his "actual" career?? Is this because you do not count the jr ww division so you classify him as a WW?

Excactly: I only use old school 8 divisions and count those who fought at Jr Welter as Welters. Ted Kid Lewis I have as among the best of the next batch at Welter. The truth is Welterweight is probably the historically deepest division in the sport and given the number of truly great fighters who fought there it isn't easy to crack the top 20 let alone top 10: There's a LOT of competition for those spots.

Poet

[Pastrano]

Excactly: I only use old school 8 divisions and count those who fought at Jr Welter as Welters. Ted Kid Lewis I have asamong the best of the next batch at Welter. The truth is Welterweight is probably the historically deepest division in the sport and given the number of truly great fighters who fought there it isn't easy to crack the top 20 let alone top 10: There's a LOT of competition for those spots.

Poet

You put Cervantes and Loi, 2 LWW's in there and not PALOMINO and CUEVAS??? Youre a lost cause my friend.

[StarshipTrooper]

You put Cervantes and Loi, 2 LWW's

Old school 8 divisions so as far as I'm concerned LWW (or JWW or SLW) doesn't exist. Both Cervantes and Loi are ATG fighters by any standard.

in there and not PALOMINO and CUEVAS??? Youre a lost cause my friend.

Cuevas is NOT an ATG fighter by any standard and the concensus of boxing historians backs me up on that: You won't find Cuevas on the ATG Welter list of ANY reputable boxing historian. Only a hopelessly biased no-nothing like yourself would place him there. Palomino is a borderline case that there's no real consensus on.

Poet

[jrosales13]

Oscar De la Hoya?

[bklynboy]

[QUOTE=poet682006;10284525]Old school 8 divisions so as far as I'm concerned LWW (or JWW or SLW) doesn't exist. Both Cervantes and Loi are ATG fighters by any standard.


I agree with you regarding the original 8. I have to admit I like the addition of the cruiserweight division but I hate - absolutely hate - the super welterweight and super middleweight divisions above all others.

In judging ATGs I can't see judging fighters in 17 different weight categories - all though the fact that many fighters stay a large percent of their career in the bogus subdivisions makes things more difficult.

[Pastrano]

Old school 8 divisions so as far as I'm concerned LWW (or JWW or SLW) doesn't exist. Both Cervantes and Loi are ATG fighters by any standard.




Cuevas is NOT an ATG fighter by any standard and the concensus of boxing historians backs me up on that: You won't find Cuevas on the ATG Welter list of ANY reputable boxing historian. Only a hopelessly biased no-nothing like yourself would place him there. Palomino is a borderline case that there's no real consensus on.

Poet

Cuevas made 11 title defenses you moron, which is only bested by 2 men, Armstrong, 20? and Trinidad, 15.