Rid**** Bowe...

[Holtol]

I thought it was about Bowe in general, as suggested by the title 'Rid**** Bowe' and that was just a statement by Carlos describing what he thought Bowe was.

Still, I can sort of agree with that. At his best, he was very, very good.

Oh...and that Lewis/Bowe Olympic fight is ridiculous. Ref was a phlegmatic fiend of furious proportions.

True it was a statment so the thread is not what I thought it was about.

I watched the Lewis vs Bowe Olymipic fight years ago and I liked Lewis because I am from Canada and I wanted Lewis to beat Bowe plus I was fairly young and not as good at watching and judging boxing. I might watch it to see what people complain about often here.

[Holtol]

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Oh...and that Lewis/Bowe Olympic fight is ridiculous. Ref was a phlegmatic fiend of furious proportions.

Lol I just watch the fight for the first time since I wathched it originaly. I have a fairly bad memory that was a terrible ref. I can't beleive people use that as an exscuse to why Lewis would beat Bowe.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lol I just watch the fight for the first time since I wathched it originaly. I have a fairly bad memory that was a terrible ref. I can't beleive people use that as an exscuse to why Lewis would beat Bowe.

They use that fight without ever seeing the fight yet Bowe was beating Lewis up in the fight and the referee was warning Bowe (12 times in the 1st round) for hitting Lewis, the referee stopped the fight the first chance he got.. it was fixed

[Kid McCoy]

I'm amazed how overrated Bowe gets. Okay he beat Holyfield but Moorer beat Holyfield too and no one rates him that highly. The second best heavyweight he faced gave him a real pasting. Twice. One great fight doesn't make a great fighter, otherwise Randy Turpin would be one of the the best ever. That he never came close to replicating his Holyfield form just makes me think the one great performance was the anomaly, like Douglas and Tyson.

I note how statements about Bowe are always qualified with "motivated and in shape" or "at his best", something he hardly ever was. He was a great physical specimen with good skills, but also some significant flaws like a porous defence and a chin that wasn't tested by any big punchers. There were some good heavyweights around in the early to mid-90s: Lewis, Tyson, Moorer, Ruddock, Mercer, McCall, Foreman, Holmes and Morrison and for one reason or another Bowe didn't face any of them. A fighter can't be one of the best when he didn't even meet the best of his own era.

[sonnyboyx2]

I'm amazed how overrated Bowe gets. Okay he beat Holyfield but Moorer beat Holyfield too and no one rates him that highly. The second best heavyweight he faced gave him a real pasting. Twice. One great fight doesn't make a great fighter, otherwise Randy Turpin would be one of the the best ever. That he never came close to replicating his Holyfield form just makes me think the one great performance was the anomaly, like Douglas and Tyson.

I note how statements about Bowe are always qualified with "motivated and in shape" or "at his best", something he hardly ever was. He was a great physical specimen with good skills, but also some significant flaws like a porous defence and a chin that wasn't tested by any big punchers. There were some good heavyweights around in the early to mid-90s: Lewis, Tyson, Moorer, Ruddock, Mercer, McCall, Foreman, Holmes and Morrison and for one reason or another Bowe didn't face any of them. A fighter can't be one of the best when he didn't even meet the best of his own era.

Bowe had 3 good performances against Holyfield and it must be remembered that Bowe BEAT Golota both fights.. i agree 100% that Bowe never faced Ruddock, Holmes, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, Mercer, McCall or Morrison who was some of the top fighters of the 1990s yet the same can be said of Lennox Lewis who never fought any fighters who was at "The Top of their Game" during that same period, Foreman, Holmes, Moorer, Tyson, Bowe, Sanders, Ruiz, Hide, Byrd...it is not fair to label Bowe when Lewis was just as guilty.

[Kid McCoy]

Bowe didn't look so hot in the second and third Holy fights. In the third he looked on the verge of getting KO'd before he landed that prayer. Always thought if Evander had stuck to his original gameplan of boxing Bowe he'd have won the first fight. He had the beating of Bowe on the outside. Instead he chucked it away by brawling with him.

Bowe didn't beat Golota. Golota beat himself. You can say Bowe got the W but it was obvious who was second best in those fights.

[BennyST]

Bowe had 3 good performances against Holyfield and it must be remembered that Bowe BEAT Golota both fights.. i agree 100% that Bowe never faced Ruddock, Holmes, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, Mercer, McCall or Morrison who was some of the top fighters of the 1990s yet the same can be said of Lennox Lewis who never fought any fighters who was at "The Top of their Game" during that same period, Foreman, Holmes, Moorer, Tyson, Bowe, Sanders, Ruiz, Hide, Byrd...it is not fair to label Bowe when Lewis was just as guilty.

You really just don't get how you sound like do you with this neverending obsession?

You know those guys like Cash Cow, Horus, various other *******s, ******s, morons and Klit lovers? You sound just like them. No perspective whatsoever.

Seriously, what happened that made you so utterly blind and creepily obsessed? Please, before you start on about how you are just 'telling it like it is', 'speaking the truth that only I can see', 'I was his biggest fan and know everything about him and therefore what I say is the truth' blah blah blah, forget it....no one gives a toss about that ****e and we all see straight through it. You honestly come across like a hurt little *****. You bring him up in every thread no matter how unrelated, you make incessant threads about topics related to him directly and indirectly and then make sure he gets brought up when no one is talking about him....

Don't you get it? No one listens to you about him or discusses him with you because you come across sounding just like those ******s above.

Why did I even bother writing this? I don't know. Why not just get over it mate? You really sound like...... You know JoeyZags? You sound just like him (but the opposite perspective) but you're too far gone to even realise it.

You wanna know why I brought this up though? It's not about Lewis so don't even bother going there. It's because other than this you are a good poster, which makes me spin out every time you go on another boring, inane Lewis rant sounding like just another tosser from NSB with no ****ing fact in his head, but one seriously big pole up his ass. Get over it and get on with it.

[sonnyboyx2]

Bowe didn't look so hot in the second and third Holy fights. In the third he looked on the verge of getting KO'd before he landed that prayer. Always thought if Evander had stuck to his original gameplan of boxing Bowe he'd have won the first fight. He had the beating of Bowe on the outside. Instead he chucked it away by brawling with him.

Bowe didn't beat Golota. Golota beat himself. You can say Bowe got the W but it was obvious who was second best in those fights.

Golota deliberately fouled his way out of both fights, he took a terrible beating in the 2nd fight and both fighters was never the same after it.. Bowe v Golota II was one of the most brutal fights of all time, they was deliberate fouls by Golota and they can only be put down to him wanting out of the fight as there is no other reason for him to commit such fouls.. Golota was a headcase.

[sonnyboyx2]

You really just don't get how much of a ****wad you sound like do you with this neverending obsession?

You know those guys like Cash Cow, Horus, various other *******s, ******s, morons and Klit lovers? You sound just like them. No perspective whatsoever.

Seriously, what happened that made you so utterly blind and creepily obsessed? Please, before you start on about how you are just 'telling it like it is', 'speaking the truth that only I can see', 'I was his biggest fan and know everything about him and therefore what I say is the truth' blah blah blah, forget it....no one gives a toss about that ****e and we all see straight through it. You honestly come across like a hurt little *****. You bring him up in every thread no matter how unrelated, you make incessant threads about topics related to him directly and indirectly and then make sure he gets brought up when no one is talking about him....

Don't you get it? No one listens to you about him or discusses him with you because you come across sounding just like those ******s above.

Why did I even bother writing this? I don't know. Why not just get over it mate? You really sound like a ****. You know JoeyZags? You sound just like him (but the opposite perspective) but you're too far gone to even realise it.

You wanna know why I brought this up though? It's not about Lewis so don't even bother going there. It's because other than this you are a good poster, which makes me spin out every time you go on another boring, inane Lewis rant sounding like just another tosser from NSB with no ****ing fact in his head, but one seriously big pole up his ass. Get over it and get on with it.

you obviously listen and read everything i ever say about him... but i have hit a sore spot with you, you are wanting to label Bowe as a bum for not fighting the top fighters of the 1990s but not label Lewis with the same ticket.. you make me laugh as you are someone who i never read your posts . i only read this one because you replied to my thread..

[BennyST]

I'm amazed how overrated Bowe gets. Okay he beat Holyfield but Moorer beat Holyfield too and no one rates him that highly. The second best heavyweight he faced gave him a real pasting. Twice. One great fight doesn't make a great fighter, otherwise Randy Turpin would be one of the the best ever. That he never came close to replicating his Holyfield form just makes me think the one great performance was the anomaly, like Douglas and Tyson.

I note how statements about Bowe are always qualified with "motivated and in shape" or "at his best", something he hardly ever was. He was a great physical specimen with good skills, but also some significant flaws like a porous defence and a chin that wasn't tested by any big punchers. There were some good heavyweights around in the early to mid-90s: Lewis, Tyson, Moorer, Ruddock, Mercer, McCall, Foreman, Holmes and Morrison and for one reason or another Bowe didn't face any of them. A fighter can't be one of the best when he didn't even meet the best of his own era.

Bowe didn't look so hot in the second and third Holy fights. In the third he looked on the verge of getting KO'd before he landed that prayer. Always thought if Evander had stuck to his original gameplan of boxing Bowe he'd have won the first fight. He had the beating of Bowe on the outside. Instead he chucked it away by brawling with him.

Bowe didn't beat Golota. Golota beat himself. You can say Bowe got the W but it was obvious who was second best in those fights.

Yeah, this type of stuff always spins me out a little. Talking about someone being better than everyone for one fight and if he had trained and was in shape for more than a few fights he would have been great and was the greatest but just for those couple of fights.

Talent is as much determination, will, training, habits etc etc. Bowe was also punch drunk very early on. He got hit way too much to ever be really good. He was brilliant offensively for a time there, but overall, he just didn't have it all together.

You have to put things together for more than a few years at most. You also have to do it against the best. Bowe did it against one of the best, but that's it. Consistency is as important as anything else in boxing.

It's like when people say that for that one night Douglas could have beaten any other HW in history. ****, that makes me laugh. He didn't actually perform that much better than he ever had. He didn't strike magical fairy dust in his dreams the night before and go from ok contender/lucky champ to Joe Louis and Ali combined for 30 minutes.

The guys who had beaten him before that night and after that night would probably have done it again just the same. Holyfield would have knocked him out that night and any other, just like he did in his next fight. He made too many mistakes, just like Bowe got hit too much and couldn't sustain a high level for any great length of time. Bowe would always have had a short run because he went to **** from being hit just as much as from lack of training. Lack of training shows up in some areas, but it doesn't make you go from legendary to shot hack.

Being great is not about one night, one fight, or even a few good fights. As they always say "It's easy to become champion, but much harder to keep it" or "It's easy to become champ, but to keep it? That's a true champion". What Dempsey said about a champion being someone who gets up when he can't? That also goes for greatness in being able to come back from a loss/losses and change it up to win again, not only getting up off the floor in a fight. It's also getting back up from a loss or period of bad form.

Not being able to keep up good form for any length of time is just that. A flash in the pan. It means you can't do it. You don't have the right tools to be great.