Rid**** Bowe...

[NChristo]

no im not, im just trying to understand what everyone is talking about. everybody says bowe would have killed him and yet nobody even bothers to back anything they say up with something. so i dont understand why they say what theyve been saying thats all. and it seems to me like youre one of those guys, thats why i responded the way i responded.

i dont think the ref did anything wrong to be honest. lennox rocked him so many times that fight, bowe didnt know where he was at. he was stumblin around, got hit with multiple left hooks and big straights. what do you want the ref to do? like i said its the olympics and you got 2 giants in there. if you take these kinds of shots in the amateurs thats usually what happens, the ref steps in. its not pro boxing rules in the olympics. the refs step in immediately for the most part. what if the ref hadnt saved him? what would have stopped lennox from continuing to do what he did the minutes up until the ref stopped the fight? bowe was in trouble the entire time. he was gone, it was just a matter of time. i dont understand how you can say the ref was biased and basically just handed lennox a win


well thats the impression i got from your responses, youre kinda defending bowe and made some statements that i just cant agree with like the one about the ref

Bowe was stopped around 13 times or so by the ref for things that should not have been called, about the stoppage, I don't remember him stumbling around, it looked to me that Bowe was fine and was talking to the referee, when he was counting down maybe he had his back turned for too long but I don't see it at all, even the commentator said that it was too early a stoppage, the punch wasn't all that effective, the ref was an intrusive factor and the calls were gratuitous at best. It's been a while since I watched it, will check it out again.
This is not a dig at Lewis, it's a dig at the referee.

I don't hate Lewis at all, but there's no denying there was something fishy going on with the Seoul Olympics, first the RJJ fight and then the ref in this fight.

[young_robbed]

lennox already knocked him out, its funny how you ignore that fact then you go on to talk about how you cant compare which guy beat what guy at which time. lewis knocked him out. he shredded the guys that bowe got whipped by. i back my opinion up with those fights, and the fact that like i said he already knocked him out. what more do you want.

all you say is "oh bowe would have killed everybody in the history of boxing just cause". alright dude you make excellent points. you convinced me. bowe would have knocked lennox out. there you happy now? good

it's called the AMATEURS. Tillman outboxed tyson in the amateurs but got ktfo'd in the pros. Mathis outboxed Frazier in the amateurs buit got knocked out himself. so don't give me this **** that Lewis already shredded bowe, the amateurs don't mean **** when comparing fighters in the pros. Another example... Bobick was awesome in the amateurs, but got blown away in one round by norton and Tate.

by the way, bOwe was shot and out of shape for the golota fights. At least view didn't get exposed like Lewis did and get owned by one punch.

[Abaris]

Bowe is the most over rated fighter on this forum, by a distance. His reputation is based on being a good matchup for Holyfield and a rather insecure need for fans to pick a fighter who would have beaten Lewis at his best. Since Lewis never fought Bowe as a professional, (largely due to Bowe being terrified of him) people have chosen Bowe as their representative.

'He beat Holyfield twice'

Yes he did, but Golota handed Bowe a beating. Twice.

Somehow Bowe would have beaten Lewis, the Klit brothers and maybe even Foreman but could barely hold his own against Andrew Golota.

'That doesn't count because Bowe was fat, shot, angry, sleepy, grumpy, bashful and doc'

Lewis beat Bowe at the Olympics.

'Roy Jones was robbed against a Korean fighter at the Korean Olympics which means the refs were biased in favour of Canada.'

It's the usual excuses you get when people don't like a fighter, they pick a surrogate for a fantasy match they know will never happen.

'He was the best heavyweight of the last twenty years.'

Yet he doesn't have the record to prove it. I'm sorry to go all Yoda but you either do or you don't, otherwise we may as well forget the whole sport aspect of boxing and award the title to whoever can make the meanest looking face.

Bowe would have...
Bowe could have...
Bowe should have...
Bowe didn't.

[BigStereotype]

Bowe is the most over rated fighter on this forum, by a distance. His reputation is based on being a good matchup for Holyfield and a rather insecure need for fans to pick a fighter who would have beaten Lewis at his best. Since Lewis never fought Bowe as a professional, (largely due to Bowe being terrified of him) people have chosen Bowe as their representative.

'He beat Holyfield twice'

Yes he did, but Golota handed Bowe a beating. Twice.

Somehow Bowe would have beaten Lewis, the Klit brothers and maybe even Foreman but could barely hold his own against Andrew Golota.

'That doesn't count because Bowe was fat, shot, angry, sleepy, grumpy, bashful and doc'

Lewis beat Bowe at the Olympics.

'Roy Jones was robbed against a Korean fighter at the Korean Olympics which means the refs were biased in favour of Canada.'

It's the usual excuses you get when people don't like a fighter, they pick a surrogate for a fantasy match they know will never happen.

'He was the best heavyweight of the last twenty years.'

Yet he doesn't have the record to prove it. I'm sorry to go all Yoda but you either do or you don't, otherwise we may as well forget the whole sport aspect of boxing and award the title to whoever can make the meanest looking face.

Bowe would have...
Bowe could have...
Bowe should have...
Bowe didn't.

I hear you. He should have but didn't in most cases. But is there any debate that on his best night, he could go with anybody? And do you really think that when Bowe stepped in against Golota, he was the same fighter who was in there with Holyfield? Really? And the only point about the Olympics is that those fights don't mean a damn thing in the pros. They're not on your record and they're not a good indicator because it's a different kind of fighting. If pro-boxing was like amateur boxing, I'd probably have no idea who Juan Manuel Marquez is. He'd have been stopped in the first by Pacquiao. So you have to take those with a grain of salt, especially when it was a debatable stoppage. Even if you think it was appropriate, you have to be able to see why somebody would question it, right?

[Holtol]

At his best Bowe may be the best boxer the last 20 years. I think Douglas showed more talent in his fight against Tyson. He was faster and more nimble on his feat and had faster hands took big power shots from Tyson and had great endurance. Look at the video you can instantly see that Douglas was more athletic at 230 pounds then other boxers. Although the fight may be slightly more then 20 years ago but just barely. I know you already beleive this Carlos unless you have changed your thinking recently.

[CarlosG815]

At his best Bowe may be the best boxer the last 20 years. I think Douglas showed more talent in his fight against Tyson. He was faster and more nimble on his feat and had faster hands took big power shots from Tyson and had great endurance. Look at the video you can instantly see that Douglas was more athletic at 230 pounds then other boxers. Although the fight may be slightly more then 20 years ago but just barely. I know you already beleive this Carlos unless you have changed your thinking recently.

Yes, I think Douglas when he's at the top of his game is like a better version of Bowe.

[BennyST]

Bowe is the most over rated fighter on this forum, by a distance. His reputation is based on being a good matchup for Holyfield and a rather insecure need for fans to pick a fighter who would have beaten Lewis at his best. Since Lewis never fought Bowe as a professional, (largely due to Bowe being terrified of him) people have chosen Bowe as their representative.

'He beat Holyfield twice'

Yes he did, but Golota handed Bowe a beating. Twice.

Somehow Bowe would have beaten Lewis, the Klit brothers and maybe even Foreman but could barely hold his own against Andrew Golota.

'That doesn't count because Bowe was fat, shot, angry, sleepy, grumpy, bashful and doc'

Lewis beat Bowe at the Olympics.

'Roy Jones was robbed against a Korean fighter at the Korean Olympics which means the refs were biased in favour of Canada.'

It's the usual excuses you get when people don't like a fighter, they pick a surrogate for a fantasy match they know will never happen.

'He was the best heavyweight of the last twenty years.'

Yet he doesn't have the record to prove it. I'm sorry to go all Yoda but you either do or you don't, otherwise we may as well forget the whole sport aspect of boxing and award the title to whoever can make the meanest looking face.

Bowe would have...
Bowe could have...
Bowe should have...
Bowe didn't.

That's actually a pretty good post.

We do tend to forget that while Bowe was great at his best, he was at his best for about 3.7 fights in his whole career, looked good in others and ****ing terrible in many more.

He was pretty darn good, but as Yaman said, he took way too much punishment and someone with a better punch than Holyfield would have knocked him out. He had some serious flaws that made him only a good fighter and not a great one.

[BKM-]

I disagree. I think your boy Evander would disagree with that statement as well.

Boxing is about hit and not get hit. You can't be phenomenal at only 1 and still be considered the most complete fighter. Bowe was all offense, and one of the most hittable champions in boxing history.

[Holtol]

That's actually a pretty good post.

We do tend to forget that while Bowe was great at his best, he was at his best for about 3.7 fights in his whole career, looked good in others and ****ing terrible in many more.

He was pretty darn good, but as Yaman said, he took way too much punishment and someone with a better punch than Holyfield would have knocked him out. He had some serious flaws that made him only a good fighter and not a great one.

If I were to judge an entire career things are a little different. But this thread is about who was at their best when motivated and in shape in the last 20 years.

A boxer like Lewis showed he was effective against many different styles which does count for something. While Bowe was at his best for a shorter amount of time so we don't really know how well he was against some other types of boxers. But Bowe performed better against a higher class of opponent then Lewis ever did. To me this means he had more talent then Lewis.

My top three the last 20 years are 1. Bowe 2. Holyfield 3. Lewis. Douglas fought Tyson over 20 years ago so he does not qualify I suppose.

[BennyST]

If I were to judge an entire career things are a little different. But this thread is about who was at their best when motivated and in shape in the last 20 years.

A boxer like Lewis showed he was effective against many different styles which does count for something. While Bowe was at his best for a shorter amount of time so we don't really know how well he was against some other types of boxers. But Bowe performed better against a higher class of opponent then Lewis ever did. To me this means he had more talent then Lewis.

My top three the last 20 years are 1. Bowe 2. Holyfield 3. Lewis. Douglas fought Tyson over 20 years ago so he does not qualify I suppose.

I thought it was about Bowe in general, as suggested by the title 'Rid**** Bowe' and that was just a statement by Carlos describing what he thought Bowe was.

Still, I can sort of agree with that. At his best, he was very, very good.

Oh...and that Lewis/Bowe Olympic fight is ridiculous. Ref was a phlegmatic fiend of furious proportions.