Ranking Wladimir Klitschko Above Max Schmeling. Can It Be Justified?

[The_Demon]

Holmes also never lost to sub par fighters like Brewster, Sanders, and Purrity. With that said I think Wlad has an overall better resume than Schmeling. Outside of beating Louis there are plenty of KO losses and bad fights on Max's resume. You can't pretend those fights never happened because of one fight with Louis. His title reign was very brief and he won it by a foul. I think Schmeling's overall career has been overrated based on his win over Louis in the same way Corrie Sanders overall career is overrated because of his win over Wladimir.

Too be fair ive never heard Sanders mentioned in the same breathe as schmeling,or any other memorable HW in history.Max has other good wins on his resume but of course the win over louis gives it a huge boost,he was the only guy to beat arguably the greatest HW ever whilst in his prime-that alone eclipses the majority of wlads wins

[joseph5620]

Too be fair ive never heard Sanders mentioned in the same breathe as schmeling,or any other memorable HW in history

.Max has other good wins on his resume but of course the win over louis gives it a huge boost,he was the only guy to beat arguably the greatest HW ever whilst in his prime-that alone eclipses the majority of wlads wins

Well I have including "one of the hardest punchers in history."

[Wild Blue Yonda]

Holmes also never lost to sub par fighters like Brewster, Sanders, and Purrity. With that said I think Wlad has an overall better resume than Schmeling. Outside of beating Louis there are plenty of KO losses and bad fights on Max's resume. You can't pretend those fights never happened because of one fight with Louis. His title reign was very brief and he won it by a foul. I think Schmeling's overall career has been overrated based on his win over Louis in the same way Corrie Sanders overall career is overrated because of his win over Wladimir.

The Louis victory is a double-edged sword, IMO --- it improves Schmeling's standing greatly (& fairly, as Louis was nearly at his peak when Schmeling bested him), but at the same time, all his other quality performances get pushed aside, forgotten, & subsequently deducted from his overall rating for so many fans. Billy Conn has the same problem...not enough emphasis on his superb LHW career, because of a fight with Louis.

[StarshipTrooper]

Holmes also never lost to sub par fighters like Brewster, Sanders, and Purrity. With that said I think Wlad has an overall better resume than Schmeling. Outside of beating Louis there are plenty of KO losses and bad fights on Max's resume. You can't pretend those fights never happened because of one fight with Louis. His title reign was very brief and he won it by a foul. I think Schmeling's overall career has been overrated based on his win over Louis in the same way Corrie Sanders overall career is overrated because of his win over Wladimir.

You DO get more credit for striking out Ted Williams than you do for striking out Mario Mendoza.

TBH, the only people I ever see overrating Sanders are the terminal Klitschko fellators who have to turn Sanders into some kind of beast rather than suffer the indignity that their boy was starched in his prime by a Class C- part-time fighter and full-time golf pro.

Poet

[joseph5620]

You DO get more credit for striking out Ted Williams than you do for striking out Mario Mendoza.

TBH, the only people I ever see overrating Sanders are the terminal Klitschko fellators who have to turn Sanders into some kind of beast rather than suffer the indignity that their boy was starched in his prime by a Class C- part-time fighter and full-time golf pro.
Poet

You make two good points there. But I still don't think it's outrageous to say Wladimir has a better resume than Schmeling who I believe gets more mileage than he deserves for a win over young up and coming Louis. Of course the rematch was a totally different story and different Louis.

[Joeyzagz]

Max Schmellings win over a Prime Joe Louis is the most quality in sports history. It'll never be topped.

Compare that to Wladimir who hand-picks nobodies with only 14 fights to their name.

Cant be justified.

[Jim Jeffries]

Max Schmellings win over a Prime Joe Louis is the most quality in sports history. It'll never be topped.

Compare that to Wladimir who hand-picks nobodies with only 14 fights to their name.

Cant be justified.

1. Louis wasn't prime, he had a gaping flaw in his game, dropping his left hand after throwing a jab. Just like Ali wasn't prime the first time around against Cooper.

2. The single fight you speak of (as Wlad hasn't fought anyone else with 14 fights to his name in 12 years) only happened because Haye, Povetkin and Adamek either pulled out or claimed they're "not ready yet." And at least Chisora is British and Commonwealth Champ, not some never has been (as a pro) that lost to an aging cab driver, like the guy Haye just "fought."



As far as the comparison to Schmeling, I'll wait until Wlad's career is over. I'm inclined to think he'll surpass Max by then.

[Joeyzagz]

1. Louis wasn't prime, he had a gaping flaw in his game, dropping his left hand after throwing a jab. Just like Ali wasn't prime the first time around against Cooper.

1. Joe Louis was 24-0 and had won nearly every fight by lethal KO.

2. He already had quality names on his resume' like Levinsky, Primo Carnera and was the first person to KO Max Baer

3. He was an absolute beast at the time and the entire nation of Germany begged Schmelling not to face the american wrecking machine. Id argue that Joe Louis was actually better in 1936 than he was during the War and the 1940's.

Who has Wlad fought that had that kind of juice? Wlad has never beaten a single fighter with a fan base. He has no spectacular names to counter his embarassing losses.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Too bad it's a Boxing match, not a decathlon.

That is nice but there is no chance that Schmelling would not get knocked out by Wlad.

[StarshipTrooper]

That is nice but there is no chance that Schmelling would not get knocked out by Wlad.

That is nice but there is no chance that Purrity would not get knocked out by Wlad.....no wait.

That is nice but there is no chance that Sanders would not get knocked out by Wlad.....no wait.

That is nice but there is no chance that Brewster would not get knocked out by Wlad.....oh hell, not ANOTHER class-D fighter that slapped the **** out of Wlad.

Poet