Ranking Wladimir Klitschko Above Max Schmeling. Can It Be Justified?

[SCtrojansbaby]

With all due respect, you obviously know very little of Schmeling. What makes you think he would be slow an un-athletic?

1. Athletes of today are generally much more athletic then they were in the 50s
2. Schmelling wasn't even considered fast or athletic then

[JAB5239]

1. Athletes of today are generally much more athletic then they were in the 50s
2. Schmelling wasn't even considered fast or athletic then

Please explain your first statement and than please show proof of your second statement.

PS-Schmeling didn't fight in the 50's.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Please explain your first statement and than please show proof of your second statement.

PS-Schmeling didn't fight in the 50's.

Look at olympic records look at sports like football and basketball guys are bigger faster stronger etc

Its an opinion so obviously there isn't any proof.

[JAB5239]

Look at olympic records look at sports like football and basketball guys are bigger faster stronger etc

scientific advancement in equiptment, field condition, as well as all sports being flooded with PED's does not equate to better athletes.

Its an opinion so obviously there isn't any proof.

"2. Schmelling wasn't even considered fast or athletic then"

The way you stated it made it sound like you believed it to be fact.

[IRISH LULLABY]

Look at olympic records look at sports like football and basketball guys are bigger faster stronger etc

Its an opinion so obviously there isn't any proof.

This opinion can be totally devalued by asking a simple question;

Name me one heavyweight who moved faster than Muhammad Ali, from any era - surely, with the advancement of training and nutrition, and the fact that speed records are constantly broken across Olympic sports, there must consequently be a heavyweight who moves faster than the speed and agility of Muhammad Ali in the 60's!

There is not a single heavyweight since Ali who can move as quickly as he - who was a 6'3" heavyweight.

He is by all accounts, a much greater athlete than any of the heavyweights who succeeded him.



FWIW, you place too much emphasis on how big the Klitschko's are - more muscle mass becomes a liability and not an asset. The greater the muscle mass, the more oxygen your body requires, which means you have less stamina and a lesser work-rate.

[bklynboy]

Look at olympic records look at sports like football and basketball guys are bigger faster stronger etc

Its an opinion so obviously there isn't any proof.

Two things:

One: today more people are involved in athletics. The first Olympians were Ivy League kids who were truly amateur athletes. Even as late as 1960 Cassius Clay would not have gone to Rome if local small businessmen didn't sponsor his trip.

Second: Bob Feller threw baseballs at 100/hour in the 1930s. We're not doing any better today. If the Olympics were a standard of better training and "evolution" then we should have pitchers throwing at 120 or 150 miles an hour.

[Joeyzagz]

Look at olympic records look at sports like football and basketball guys are bigger faster stronger etc

Its an opinion so obviously there isn't any proof.

Name one NBA player who was bigger and faster than this guy....





Or a baseball player who hits better than this guy.....

ummm the one on the left....

[sonnyboyx2]

This opinion can be totally devalued by asking a simple question;

Name me one heavyweight who moved faster than Muhammad Ali, from any era - surely, with the advancement of training and nutrition, and the fact that speed records are constantly broken across Olympic sports, there must consequently be a heavyweight who moves faster than the speed and agility of Muhammad Ali in the 60's!

There is not a single heavyweight since Ali who can move as quickly as he - who was a 6'3" heavyweight.

He is by all accounts, a much greater athlete than any of the heavyweights who succeeded him.



FWIW, you place too much emphasis on how big the Klitschko's are - more muscle mass becomes a liability and not an asset. The greater the muscle mass, the more oxygen your body requires, which means you have less stamina and a lesser work-rate.

Good Post... The reason that Olympic records in athletics are constantly broken is down to PEDs & Steroids with the same applying across the board in football, rugby and other sports..
1/. Do you think Vitali & Wlad could both fight a 15rd fight against Muhammad Ali or Joe Frazier?

2/. Do you seriously believe that Vitali, Wlad, Lewis, Holyfield & Tyson have never taken steroids?

[sonnyboyx2]

We have discused this topic in the past about Olympic athletes and how world records have been broken, here is a very good commemt from Poet which i agree with.

To the above quote you can add improved field conditions and equipment: It's a lot easier to set track and field records running on a current track surface than you could on those old cinder surfaces that used to be the norm. And look at the track shoes those guys had to run in compared to now. Any wonder that records for serve velocity in tennis get set with alluminum rackets as opposed to the old wooden ones from prior to the 1980s?

Poet

[Kid McCoy]

Numerous MLB and NFL players from the 70s have admitted to taking PEDs. Does anyone really believe it took another two decades for them to filter into boxing? Doubt we'll ever know the full extent of roid use in boxing.